Comparing 15 W TGL to 15 W ICL to 15 W Renoir

Despite the hullaballoo with the 28 W numbers on Tiger Lake, we suspect that most OEMs will still be positioning the hardware inside chassis built for the 15 W ultraportable market. This is where most of Intel’s OEMs have had success over the last decade, as the lower cooling requirements allow for a more user-friendly design. At 28 W, there is more of a cross-over into laptops that have discrete graphics options, and the main company that has succeeded in offering 28 W laptops without discrete graphics has been Apple - most Intel partners, if they want discrete graphics, end up looking at the 45 W processors with more cores.

So in that respect, our main battle should occur between the products built for 15 W. To that end we have been able to put the three together that will command this holiday season’s offerings: Ice Lake, Tiger Lake, and AMD’s Renoir.

  • For our Ice Lake system, we have the Microsoft Surface Laptop 3. This has the top-of-the-line quad-core Core i7-1065G7, along with 16 GB of LPDDR4X-3733. Base 1.3 GHz, Turbo 3.9 GHz.  Because this is an OEM design, Microsoft have determined the PL1 and PL2 values, and so they might be different from a ‘base’ design, however this is data from a real system.
  • The Tiger Lake system is our Reference Design from Intel, running the quad-core Core i7-1185G7 at 15 W TDP mode. It has 16 GB of LPDDR4X-4266. Base 1.8 GHz, Turbo 4.8 GHz.
  • Our AMD Renoir system is one of the most premium examples of AMD’s Ryzen Mobile in a 15W form factor, the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 with the eight-core Ryzen 7 4800U processor. Even when set to the highest performance mode, the system still operates with a 15 W sustained power draw. It comes equipped with 16 GB of LPDDR4X-4266. Base 1.8 GHz, Turbo 4.2 GHz.

Compute Workload

For our 15 W comparisons, we can look again at the same benchmarks as the previous page. First up is y-Cruncher, an AVX2/AVX512 compute workload that tasks the CPU and the memory by calculating 2.5 billion digits of Pi, and requires ~11 GB of DRAM.

As we saw on the previous page, our Tiger Lake system in green at 15 W turbos up to ~53 watts before very quickly coming down to 15 W for the rest of the test.

The Microsoft Surface Laptop 3, by virtue of an OEM system, has different behavior - it turbos for longer, settles into a short turbo limit of 25 W, and then after about two minutes comes down to 20 W. The system then appears to opportunistically up the power draw until the end of the test, likely due to detecting extra thermal headroom.

The AMD Renoir processor does not turbo as high, peaking at only 38.9 W. Over the course of the next 100 seconds or slow, we see a small ramp down to just under 30 watts, before a more consistent decline over 30 seconds to 15 W, before staying at 15 W for the full test. The Renoir here has eight cores rather that four, but is running AVX2 rather than AVX-512 code.

The results are as follows:

  • Ice Lake: 233 seconds, for 6072 joules, averaging 26.1 W
  • Tiger Lake: 241 seconds for 4082 joules, averaging 17.0 W
  • Renoir: 234 seconds for 5386 joules, averaging 23.0 W

All three systems perform the test in roughly the same amount of time, however the Tiger Lake system is very much ahead for efficiency. Tiger Lake effectively shaves off a third of the power from the previous generation Ice Lake system. We weren’t expecting this much of a jump from Ice Lake to Tiger Lake, but it would appear that Intel has done some work on the AVX-512 unit, and is putting that new high-performance transistor to use.

Professional ISV Workload

Moving onto the Agisoft test - as mentioned on the previous page, this is a 2D image to 3D modeling workflow where the algorithm comes in four stages, some of which prefer full multi-thread throughput, while others are more frequency and memory sensitive.

First, the Renoir finishes in almost half the time, mostly due to the fact that it has double the number of cores - there is no AVX-512 codepath in this test, and so all the processors rely on a mix of SSE, AVX, and perhaps some AVX2. That aside, the turbo behavior of Renoir is very interesting - we get almost 10 minutes of higher-than-base performance before the algorithm sets into a routine, hovering around 22 W. Because this test doesn’t attack the vector units as hard as the previous test, it may be a case that the Renoir system can manage the power distribution a bit better between the eight cores, allowing for the higher turbo.

Between the Ice Lake and the Tiger Lake, from the graph it would appear to be a double win for Tiger Lake, finishing in a shorter time but also consuming less power. The results are:

  • 15 W Renoir: 2842 seconds for 62660 joules
  • 15 W Ice Lake: 4733 seconds for 82344 joules
  • 15 W Tiger Lake: 4311 seconds for 64854 joules

In this case, it’s a win for Renoir - a lot shorter time, and better power to boot, derived from the eight cores built on TSMC 7nm. Tiger Lake still represents a good jump over Ice Lake, offering 10% better performance at only 79% of the power, or a 13% increase in performance efficiency.

Power Consumption: Comparing 15 W TGL to 28 W TGL CPU ST Performance: SPEC 2006, SPEC 2017
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  • deil - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    not rip as intel did respond already few times taking their 5% lead back against ryzen stack.
    Remember this chip will fight against zen3, which should be ~20% gains on AMD side.
    This would be a great chip a year ago it would obliterate 3000 mobile on all fronts BUT against 4800u it seems like a strong contender, but it does not dethrone 4800u as best mobile chip, as you compare 15W with 28W here. This wins in thick bois, while AMD still is unrivaled for thin and light laptops.
  • FreckledTrout - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    Lets not go overboard there buddy. You have TGL in laptops beating AMD's almost 2 year old architectures since they run a little over a year behind using the prior generation architecture in the case of the GPU over 2 years old. When AMD moves to using current architectures in APU's I think things will be pretty darn close CPU side and AMD should win hands down with RDNA2.
  • senttoschool - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    Zen3 on mobile is probably at least 9 months away. So TGL is competing against Renoir.
  • AMDSuperFan - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    Fortunately we have Big Navi to help us out. I am looking forward to putting Intel back in their shoes with Big Navi.
  • Showtime - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link

    Who is "us" lol. Please go back to back AyMD reddit. We don't condone fanboism here.
  • San Pedro - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link

    I'm wondering if AMD is trying to push this forward.
    For now it seems like consumers can choose TGL or Renoir based on their use scenario.
  • AMDSuperFan - Monday, September 21, 2020 - link

    Would it not be glorious for Zen 3 to come in at 5 watts with 50% performance as we can expect? 20% isn't so much but 50% would really change things.
  • TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    I wouldnt go that far. GPU wise Intel needs way more power to compete with the 15W reinor. Not to mention any laptop with sufficient thermal headroom can use thirde party software to raise TDP for ryzen 4000 mobile, gaining 15-20% performance in games.

    Other benchmarks go back and forth. On the surface intel might have a decent chip, but OEM implementation may not have the same performance.
  • Spunjji - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link

    You hit the nail on the head here - it's going to be *highly* dependent on how OEMs implement it. Still, good to see they finally sorted their process out - the efficiency of this is markedly improved, it's basically what I expected from Ice Lake in the first place.
  • AnarchoPrimitiv - Saturday, September 26, 2020 - link

    Maybe for literally 3 more weeks until Zen3 comes out, then it's just more embarrassment for Intel added to years of embarrassment... Being beaten by a company with less than a tenth of the resources, there's literally no excuse for it

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