How To Treat a 1+4 Hybrid CPU

At the top of the article, I explained that the reason for using two different types of processor core, one big on performance and the other big on efficiency, was that users could get the best of both worlds depending on if a workload could be run efficiently in the background, or needed the high performance for a user experience interaction. You may have caught onto the fact that I also stated that because Intel is using a 1+4 design, it actually makes more sense for multi-threaded workloads to run on the four Atom cores.

Using a similar power/performance graphs, the effect of having a 1+4 design is quite substantial. On the left is the single core power/performance graphs, but on the right is when we compare 1 Sunny Cove to all 4 Tremont cores working together.

 

Where the previous graph considered a 1+1 design, which is more relevant in those user experience scenarios listed above, on the right is the 1+4 design for when the user demands a heavier workload that might not be latency critical. Because there are four Atom cores, the blue line multiplies by four in both directions.

Now obviously the real world scenario is somewhere between the two, as it is possible to use only one, two, or three of the smaller cores at any given time. The CPU and the OS is expected to know this, so it can govern when workloads that can be split across multiple cores end up on either the big core or the small core.

In this graph from Intel, we have three distinct modes on which threads can operate.

  • ‘Sunny Cove/SNC’ is for responsiveness and user experience threads,
  • ‘Tremont/TNT Foreground’, for user related tasks that require multiple threads that the user is waiting on.
  • ‘Tremont/TNT Background’, for non-user related tasks run in efficiency mode

Even though the example here is web browsing, it might be best to consider something a bit beefier, like video encoding.

If we run video encoding, because it is a user related task that requires multiple threads, it will run on the four Tremont cores (TNT FG). Anything that Windows wants to do alongside that gets scheduled as TNT BG. If we then open up the start menu, because that is a responsiveness task, that gets scheduled on the SNC core.

Is 1+4 the Correct Configuration?

Intel here has implemented a 1+4 core design, however in the smartphone space, things are seen a little differently. The most popular configuration, by far, is a 4+4 design, simply because a lot of smartphone code is written to take advantage of multiple foreground or multiple background threads. There are a number of cost-down designs that reduce die area and power by going for a 2+4 implementation. Everyone seems adamant that 4 is a good number for the smaller cores, partly because they are small and cheap to add, but because Arm’s quad-core implementation is a base unit for its IP.

The smartphone space in recent quarters has also evolved from a two tier system of cores. In some of the more leading edge designs, we now have three types of core: a big, a middle, and a small. Because of the tendency to stay with eight core designs, we now get 1+3+4 or 2+2+4 designs, powered by complex schedulers that manage where to put the threads for the best user experience, the best battery life, or somewhere in the middle. Mediatek has been famously dabbling in 10 core designs, going for a 2+4+4 approach.

One thing missing from all of these implementations is an SoC with one big core and four small cores. Smartphone vendors don’t seem to be interested in 1+4 silicon, and yet Intel has decided on it for Lakefield. This is borne out of decisions made on both sides.

From the smartphone perspective, when hybrid designs came about, the big cores just weren’t powerful enough on their own. In order to offer something more than simply basic, at least two cores were needed, but because of how Arm architected the big and little designs, it almost became standard to look into 4+4 implementations of big and small cores. It was only until this configuration was popularized over a couple of years, and Arm big cores got more powerful, that chip designs started looking at 2+4, or 1+3+4 designs.

On Intel’s side of the fence, the biggest problem it has is the size of the Sunny Cove core. By comparison, it’s really, really big. Because the graphics core is the same as Ice Lake and reuses its design, there simply isn’t enough room within the 82 mm2 compute die to add another core. Not only that, but there is a question of power. Sunny Cove wasn’t built for sub-1W operation, even in the Tremont design. We see big smartphone silicon pulling 4-5W when all eight cores are active – there is no way, based on our understanding of Intel’s designs, that we could see four (or even two) Sunny Cove cores being in the optimal performance per watt range while being that low. Intel’s Lakefield graphics, with 64 EUs, is running at only 500 MHz – a lot lower than the Ice Lake designs. Even if Intel moved that down to a 32 EU design to make space for another Sunny Cove core, I reckon that it would eat the power budget for breakfast and then some.

Intel has made the 1+4 design to act as a 0+4 design that sometimes has access to a higher performance mode. Whereas smartphone chips are designed for all eight cores to power on for sustained periods, Lakefield is built only for 0+4 sustained workloads. And that might ultimately be its downfall. This leads onto a deep discussion about Lakefield’s performance, and what we should expect from it.

Hybrid CPUs: Sunny Cove and Tremont Lakefield in Terms of Laptop Size
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  • AhsanX - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link

    The Sunny Cove has AVX-512 but Tremont cores don,t have any AVX. So Intel disabled AVX on the Sunny Cove core too, as heat was gonna be a problem if they let it enabled.
  • ikjadoon - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link

    Did we read the same article? AVX-512 was completely removed (i.e., physically) from the Sunny Cove dies because of Windows 10 compatibility problems.

    Windows was never built for x86 heterogeneous processing and still cannot do anything close now in 2020 (perhaps that would've been a smarter investment than going all-in on touch in 2008!).

    Intel & Microsoft remain stuck in late 2010s for their low-power / mobile-first / thin-client transition caused by the dominating success of smartphones & ARM-based architectures wiping out anything of interest in low-power x86.

    There's a reason Intel just nearly stopped all development on Atom: nobody give a crap about the Pentium Silver & Celeron CPUs.
  • ikjadoon - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link

    *gave
  • Jorgp2 - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link

    >There's a reason Intel just nearly stopped all development on Atom: nobody give a crap about the Pentium Silver & Celeron CPUs.

    Lol, no
  • ProDigit - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link

    The $160 laptop I purchased from hp, with an N5000 in it, works really well!
    Would have been better if used on a desktop, and the core count was quadrupled.
  • extide - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link

    It's not a windows issue. Even if you ran Linux or any other OS on here you would have to run with CPU's all supporting the same ISA. ARM specifically designs cores to pair up together such that they have the exact same ISA (instruction support) so this isn't an issue in cell phones.

    I mean theoretically you could have the processors support a slightly different ISA and have it throw an interrupt if it tried to execute an instruction that the current core didn't support but a different one did and then the scheduler would have to move that thread to the other core. That could get really janky though, which is why nobody has talked about doing this yet.

    Also, they said in this article that even though Intel said they removed the AVX512 units -- it can still be seen in the die shots.

    Also, Intel didn't stop development on Atom -- this chip has a brand new core and their public roadmaps have several more in the future.
  • reggjoo1 - Tuesday, July 7, 2020 - link

    They’re gonna have to develop more for atom, and get into the right “governor “ for crossover operation, more than scheduler tweaks. They have a lot to learn, and it may come down to the quality over the I/O system for these to really succeed. As long as their "ego" doesn't get in their way, and they learn from the "smartphone arena, they might have something for X86.
  • dotjaz - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link

    Did we read the same article? AVX-512 was clearly not removed.
  • dotjaz - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link

    There, "Intel has stated on the record repeatedly that they removed it. The die shot of the compute silicon shows that not to be the case." If you can read.
  • jeremyshaw - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link

    That was a later edit. Originally Ian claimed it was removed.

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