AMD Zen 2 Microarchitecture Analysis: Ryzen 3000 and EPYC Rome
by Dr. Ian Cutress on June 10, 2019 7:22 PM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
- AMD
- Ryzen
- EPYC
- Infinity Fabric
- PCIe 4.0
- Zen 2
- Rome
- Ryzen 3000
- Ryzen 3rd Gen
Building a core like Zen 2 requires more than just building a core. The interplay between the core, the SoC design, and then the platform requires different internal teams to come together to create a level of synergy that working separately lacks. What AMD has done with the chiplet design and Zen 2 shows great promise, not only in taking advantage of smaller process nodes, but also driving one path on the future of compute.
When going down a process node, the main advantages are lower power. That can be taken in a few ways: lower power for operation at the same performance, or more power budget to do more. We see this with core designs over time: as more power budget is opened or different units within the core get more efficient, that extra power is used to drive cores wider, hopefully increasing raw instruction rate. It’s not an easy equation to solve, as there are many trade-offs: one such example in the Zen 2 core is the relationship between the reduced L1 I-cache that has allowed AMD to double the micro-op cache, which overall AMD expects to help with performance and power. Going into the minutae of what might be possible, at least at a high level, is like playing with Lego for these engineers.
All that being said, Zen 2 looks a lot like Zen. It is part of the same family, which means it looks very similar. What AMD has done with the platform, enabling PCIe 4.0, and putting the design in place to rid the server processors of the NUMA-like environment is going to help AMD in the long run. The outlook is good for AMD here, depending on how high it can drive the frequency of the server parts, but Zen 2 plus Rome is going to remove a good number of questions that customers on the fence had about Zen.
Overall AMD has quoted a +15% core performance improvement with Zen 2 over Zen+. With the core changes, at a high level, that certainly looks feasible. Users focused on performance will love the new 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X, while the processor seems nice an efficient at 105W, so it will be interesting so see what happens at lower power. We're also anticipating a very strong Rome launch here over the next few months, especially with features like double FP performance and QoS, and the raw multithreading performance of 64 cores is going to be an interesting disruptor to the market, especially if priced effectively. We’ll be getting the hardware on hand here soon to present our findings when the processors are launched on July 7th.
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GreenReaper - Wednesday, June 12, 2019 - link
The last you heard? It says clearly on page 6 that there is "single-op" AVX 256, and on page 9 explicitly that the width has been increased to 256 bits:https://www.anandtech.com/show/14525/amd-zen-2-mic...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14525/amd-zen-2-mic...
To be honest, I don't mind how it's implemented as long as the real-world performance is there at a reasonable price and power budget. It'll be interesting to see the difference in benchmarks.
arashi - Wednesday, June 12, 2019 - link
Don't expect too much cognitive abilities regarding AMD from HStewart, his pay from big blue depends on his misinformation disguised as misunderstanding.Qasar - Thursday, June 13, 2019 - link
HA ! so that explains it..... the more misinformation and misunderstanding he spreads.. the more he gets paid.......HStewart - Thursday, June 13, 2019 - link
I don't get paid for any of this - I just not extremely heavily AMD bias like a lot of people here. It just really interesting to me when Intel release information about new Ice Lake processor with 2 load / s store processor that with in a a couple days here bla bla about Zen+++. Just because 7nm does not mean they change much.Maybe AMD did change it 256 width - and not dual 128, they should be AVX 2 has been that way for a long time and Ice Lake is now 512. Maybe by time of Zen 4 or Zen+++++ it will be AVX 512 support.
Korguz - Thursday, June 13, 2019 - link
no.. but it is known.. you are heavily intel bias..whats zen +++++++++ ????
x 86-512 ??????
but you are usually the one spreading misinformation about amd...
" and support for single-operation AVX-256 (or AVX2). AMD has stated that there is no frequency penalty for AVX2 " " AMD has increased the execution unit width from 128-bit to 256-bit, allowing for single-cycle AVX2 calculations, rather than cracking the calculation into two instructions and two cycles. This is enhanced by giving 256-bit loads and stores, so the FMA units can be continuously fed. "
HStewart - Thursday, June 13, 2019 - link
Zen+++++ was my joke as every AMD fan jokes about Intel 10+++ Just get over itx-86 512 - is likely not going to happen, it just to make sure people are not confusing vector processing bits with cpu bits 64 bit is what most os uses now. for last decade or so
Intel has been using 256 AVX 2 since day one, the earlier version of AMD chips on only had two combine 128 bit - did they fix this with Zen 2 - this is of course different that AVX 512. which standard in in all Ice Lake and higher cpus and older Xeon's.
Qasar - Thursday, June 13, 2019 - link
sorry HStewart... but even sone intel fans are making fun of the 14++++++ and it would be funny.. if you were making fun of the process node.. not the architeCture..."
x-86 512 - is likely not going to happen, it just to make sure people are not confusing vector processing bits with cpu bits 64 bit is what most os uses now. for last decade or so " that makes NO sense...
HStewart - Thursday, June 13, 2019 - link
One more thing I stay away from AMD unless there are one that bias against Intel like spreading misinformation that AVX 512 is misleading. and it really not 512 surely they do not have proof of that.AVX 512 is not the same as x86-512, I seriously doubt we will ever need that that but then at time people didn't think we need x86-64 - I remember original day of 8088,. no body thought we needed more 64meg AVX-512 is for vectors which is totally different.
just4U - Thursday, June 13, 2019 - link
I always have a higher end Intel setup and normally a AMD setup as well.. plus I build a fair amount of setups on both. No bias here except maybe.. wanting AMD to be competitive. The news that dropped over the past month was the biggest for AMD in over a decade HS.. If you can't even acknowledge that (even grudgingly..) then geez.. I dunno.This has been awesome news for the industry and will put intel on their toes to do better. Be happy about it.
Xyler94 - Monday, June 17, 2019 - link
HStewart, please. You don't stay away from AMD at all. You take ANY opportunity to try and make Intel look better than AMD.There was an article, it was Windows on ARM. You somehow managed to make a post about Intel winning over AMD. Don't spew that BS. People don't hate Intel as much as you make them out to be, they don't like you glorifying Intel.