Feed Me: Infinity Fabric Requires More Power

When moving from a ring bus to move data between cores and the memory controllers to a mesh or chiplet system, communication between the cores gets a lot more complex. At this point each core or core subset has to act like a router, and decide the best path for the data to go if multiple hops are required to reach the intended target. As we saw with Intel’s MoDe-X mesh at the launch of Skylake-X, the key here is to both avoid contention for the best performance and reduce wire lengths to decrease power. It turns out that in these systems, the inter-core communication technique starts eating up a lot of power, and can consume more power than the cores.

To describe chip power, all consumer processors have a rated ‘TDP’, or thermal design power. Intel and AMD measure this value differently, based on workloads and temperatures, but the technical definition of TDP is the ability of the cooler to dissipate this much thermal energy when the processor is fully loaded (and usually defined at base frequency, not all-core turbo). Actual power consumption might be higher, based on losses by the power delivery, or thermal dissipation through the board, but for most situations TDP and power consumption are broadly considered equal.

This means that the TDP ratings on modern processors, such as 65W, 95W, 105W, 140W, 180W, and now 250W, should broadly indicate the peak power consumption. However, as explained in the first paragraph, not all that power gets to go to pushing frequency in the cores. Some has to be used in the memory controllers, in the IO, into integrated graphics (for the chips that have them), and now the core-to-core interconnect becomes a big part of this. Just how much should be something eye-opening.

To see the scale of this, let us start with something straight-forward and known to most users. Intel’s latest Coffee Lake processors, such as the Core i7-8700K, use what is known as a ring-bus design. These processors use a single ring to connect each of the cores and the memory controller – if data has to be moved, it gets placed into the ring and shuttles along to go to where it is needed. This system has historically been called the ‘Uncore’, and can run at a different frequency to the main cores, allowing for its power to scale with what is available. The power distribution looks like this:

Despite the 95W TDP, this processor at stock frequencies consumes around 125 W at load, beyond its TDP (which is defined at base frequency). However it is more the ratio of the uncore to the total power we are concerned with: at light loading, the uncore is only 4% of the total power, but that rises to 7-9% as we load up the cores. For argument, let us call this a maximum of 10%.

Now let us go into something more meaty: Intel’s Skylake-X processors. In this design, Intel uses its new ‘mesh’ architecture, similar to MoDe-X, whereby each subset of the processor has a small router / crossbar partition that can direct a data packet to the cores around it, or to itself, as required.

This design allows the processor to scale, given that ring based systems occur additional latency beyond about 14 cores or so (going by how Intel intercepted the mesh design). However, the mesh runs at a lower latency than the ring systems that Intel used to use, and they also consume a lot more power.

In this setup, we see the mesh power starting at 20% of the total chip power, moving up to 25-30% as more cores are loaded. As a result, around one-quarter to one-third of the power on the chip is being used for core-to-core and core-to-memory communication. This is despite the fact that the mesh is often cited as one of the key criticisms of the performance of this processor: the benefit of being able to scale out beyond 24 processors properly is the reason why Intel has gone down this path.

For AMD, the situation is a bit mix and match. With a single four-core complex, communication between cores is relatively simple and uses a centralized crossbar. When dealing with so few cores, the communication method is simple and light. However, within two sets of complexes on the same silicon, or the memory controller, the interconnect comes into play. This is not so much a ring, but is based on an internal version of Infinity Fabric (IF).

The IF is designed to be scalable across cores, silicon, and sockets. We can probe what it does within a single piece of silicon by looking directly at the Ryzen 7 2700X, which has a TDP of 105W.

AMD’s product here gives two interesting data points. Firstly, when the cores are weakly loaded, the IF accounts for a massive 43% of the total power of the processor. This is compared to 4% for the i7-8700K and 19% for the i9-7980XE. However, that 43% reduces down to around 25% of the full chip, but this is still on par with the bigger mesh based processor from Intel.

Another interesting point is that the IF power doesn’t change that much scaling up the cores, going from ~17.6W to ~25.7W. For the big Intel chip, we saw it rise from ~13.8W up to beyond 40W in some cases. This brings the question as to if Intel’s offering can scale in power at the low end, and if AMD’s IF has an initial ‘power penalty’ to pay before the cores start getting loaded up.

With this data, let us kick it up a notch to the real story here. The Ryzen Threadripper 2950X is the updated 16-core version of Threadripper, which uses a single IF link between the two silicon dies to talk between the sets of core complexes.

As shown on the diagram, the red line represents the IF link. In this case, the IF Power we measure includes the intra-silicon interconnect as well as the inter-silicon interconnect.

In percentage of power, the IF power consumes 59% of the total power consumption of the chip when loaded at two threads. So even though both threads are located on the same core on the same CCX, because it needs to have access to all of the memory of the system, the die-to-die silicon link is enabled as well as the intra-silicon links are all fired up.

However, the amount of power consumed by the IF as the core loading scales does not increase all that much, from 34W to 43W, slowly reducing to around 25% of the total chip power, similar to the 2700X. It is just that initial bump that screams a lot, because of the way that that core still needs access to all the memory bandwidth available.

Now we should consider the 2990WX. Because all four silicon dies are enabled on the package, and each die needs an IF interconnect to each other die, there are now six IF links to fire up:

There’s a lot of red in that diagram. It is noteworthy that two of the silicon dies do not have DRAM attached to them, and so when only a few cores are enabled, theoretically AMD should be able to power down those IF links as they would only cause additional latency hops if other IF links are congested. In fact, we get something very odd indeed.

First, let us start with the low-loading metrics. Here the IF is consuming 56.1W from the total 76.7W power consumption, a massive 73% of the total power consumption of the processor. If a single link on the 2950W was only 34W, it is clear that the 56W here means that more than a single IF link is being fired up. There are perhaps additional power management opportunities here.

Moving through the stack, you will notice that our 2990WX sample never goes near the 250W rated TDP of the processor, actually barely hitting 180W at times. We are unsure why this is. What we can say is that as loading increases, the total contribution that the IF power gives does decrease, slowly settling around 36%, varying between 35% and 40% depending on the specific workload. This is a rise up from the 25% we saw in the 2700X and 2950X.

So given that this is the first review with our EPYC 7601 numbers, how about we take it up another notch? While based on the older first generation Zen cores, EPYC has additional memory controllers and IO to worry about, all of which fall under the uncore power category.

Moving into the power consumption numbers, and similar to the 2990WX as we load up all the cores, the values do get a little bit squirrely. However the proportion numbers are staggering.

At low loading, out of a total package power of 74.1W, the IF Power consumes 66.2W, or a staggering 89% ! As we go up through the cores, that 66.2W becomes up to 90W in places, but even at its lowest point, the IF accounts for 50% of the power of the total chip. The cores are barely getting 90W out of the 180W TDP!

This raises an interesting point – if we are purely considering the academic merits of one core compared to another, does the uncore power count to that contribution? For a real-world analysis, yes, but for a purely academic one? It also means I can claim the following prophecy:

After core counts, the next battle will be on the interconnect. Low power, scalable, and high performance: process node scaling will mean nothing if the interconnect becomes 90% of the total chip power.

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  • ibnmadhi - Monday, August 13, 2018 - link

    It's over, Intel is finished. Reply
  • milkod2001 - Monday, August 13, 2018 - link

    Unfortunately not even close. Intel was dominating for last decade or so. Now when AMD is back in game, many will consider AMD but most will still get Intel instead. Damage was done.It took forever to AMD to recover from being useless and will take at least 5 years till it will get some serious market share. Better late than never though... Reply
  • tipoo - Monday, August 13, 2018 - link

    It's not imminent, but Intel sure seems set for a gradual decline. It's hard to eke out IPC wins these days so it'll be hard to shake AMD off per-core, they no longer have a massive process lead to lead on core count with their margins either, and ARM is also chipping away at the bottom.

    Intel will probably be a vampire that lives another hundred years, but it'll go from the 900lb gorilla to one on a decent diet.
    Reply
  • ACE76 - Monday, August 13, 2018 - link

    AMD retail sales are equal to Intel now...and they are starting to make a noticeable dent in the server market as well...it won't take 5 years for them to be on top...if Ryzen 2 delivers a 25% increase in performance, they will topple Intel in 2019/2020 Reply
  • HStewart - Monday, August 13, 2018 - link

    "AMD retail sales are equal to Intel now"

    Desktop maybe - but that is minimal market.
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  • monglerbongler - Monday, August 13, 2018 - link

    Pretty much this.

    No one really cares about workstation/prosumer/gaming PC market. Its almost certainly the smallest measurable segment of the industry.

    As far as these companies' business models are concerned:

    Data center/server/cluster > OEM consumer (dell, hp, microsoft, apple, asus, toshiba, etc.) > random categories like industrial or compact PCs used in hospitals and places like that > Workstation/prosumer/gaming

    AMD's entire strategy is to desperately push as hard as they can into the bulwark of Intel's cloud/server/data center dominance.

    Though, to be completely honest, for that segment they really only offer pure core count and PCIe as benefits. Sure they have lots of memory channels, but server/data center and cluster are already moving toward the future of storage/memory fusion (eg Optane), so that entire traditional design may start to change radically soon.

    All important: Performance per unit of area inside of a box, and performance per watt? Not the greatest.

    That is exceptionally important for small companies that buy cooling from the power grid (air conditioning). If you are a big company in Washington and buy your cooling via river water, you might have to invest in upgrades to your cooling system.

    Beyond all that the Epyc chips are so freaking massive that they can literally restrict the ability to design 2 slot server configuration motherboards that also have to house additional compute hardware (eg GPGPU or FPGA boards). I laugh at the prospect of a 4 slot epyc motherboard. The thing will be the size of a goddamn desk. Literally a "desktop" sized motherboard.

    If you cant figure it out, its obvious:

    Everything except for the last category involves massive years-spanning contracts for massive orders of hundreds of thousands or millions of individual components.

    You can't bet hundreds of millions or billions in R&D, plus the years-spanning billion dollar contracts with Global Foundries (AMD) or the tooling required to upgrade and maintain equipment (Intel) on the vagaries of consumers, small businesses that make workstations to order, that small fraction of people who buy workstations from OEMs, etc.

    Even if you go to a place like Pixar studios or a game developer, most of the actual physical computers inside are regular, bone standard, consumer-level hardware PCs, not workstation level equipment. There certainly ARE workstations, but they are a minority of the capital equipment inside such places.

    Ultimately that is why, despite all the press, despite sending out expensive test samples to Anandtech, despite flashy powerpoint presentations given by arbitrary VPs of engineering or CEOs, all of the workstation/Prosumer/gaming stuff is just low-binned server equipment.

    because those are really the only 2 categories of products they make;

    pure consumer, pure workstation. Everything else is just partially enabled/disabled variations on those 2 flavors.
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  • Icehawk - Monday, August 13, 2018 - link

    I was looking at some new boxes for work and our main vendors offer little if anything AMD either for server roles or desktop. Even if they did it's an uphill battle to push a "2nd tier" vendor (AMD is not but are perceived that way by some) to management. Reply
  • PixyMisa - Tuesday, August 14, 2018 - link

    There aren't any 4-socket EPYC servers because the interconnect only allows for two sockets. The fact that it might be difficult to build such servers is irrelevant because it's impossible. Reply
  • leexgx - Thursday, August 16, 2018 - link

    is more then 2 sockets needed when you have so many cores to play with Reply
  • Relic74 - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link

    Actually there are, kind of, supermicro for example has created a 4 node server for the Epyc. Basically it's 4 computers in one server case but the performance is equal to that if not better than that of a hardware 4 socket server. Cool stuff, you should check it out. In fact, I think this is the way of the future and multi socket systems are on their way out as this solution provides more control over what CPU. As well as what the individual cores are doing and provides better power management as you can shut down individual nodes or put them in stand by where as server with 4 sockets/CPU's is basically always on.

    There is a really great white paper on the subject that came out of AMD, where the stated that they looked into creating a 4 socket CPU and motherboard capable of handling all of the PCI lanes needed, however it didn't make any sense for them to do so as there weren't any performance gains over the node solution.

    In fact I believe we will see a resurrection of blade systems using AMD CPU's, especially now with all of the improvements that have been made with multi node cluster computing over the last few years.
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