10nm Takes a Different Tack: Cannon Lake to Ice Lake

In Intel’s own words, it shipped its first 10nm products for revenue by the end of 2017. These first processors, known as Cannon Lake, were shipped to a number of OEMs and stealthily hidden from the public, being pushed into commercial and educational products in China and others.

The processor had only two cores active, and the integrated graphics was broken, giving an indication of how well the first generation of 10nm was progressing. Intel had already committed to shipping 10nm for revenue by the end of 2017 to its investors, and the small side announcement at CES 2018 (it wasn’t mentioned in the keynote) followed by the small trickle of almost non-existent Cannon Lake product over 2018 technically fulfilled Intel’s obligation.

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This version of 10nm didn’t get off the ground. Intel eventually put it into the Crimson Canyon NUC family in late 2018, but it was slower than the 14+++ processors it was meant to replace, and used more power.

At the time when Intel announced 10nm was shipping for revenue, it had already announced that the next generation product was going to be called Ice Lake, built on ‘10nm+’. By Intel’s Architecture Day in December 2018, the company tried to quietly rebadge Ice Lake as 10nm – when asked about the change and if this version of 10nm was any different to Cannon Lake, Intel’s Raja Koduri, partnered with Murthy Renduchintala, stated that ‘[10nm] is changing, but it hasn’t changed’. If ever there was a cryptic answer, this was it.

Ice Lake Rebadged to 10nm: Why?

So now we have Cannon Lake on ‘10nm’, and Ice Lake originally on 10+ but now rebadged to 10nm, but a different 10nm, with no real explanation as to why. In discussing with a number of peers and analysts in private conversations, the apparent conclusion they have come to is that Intel did not want to admit that its first generation of 10nm product had failed. Ever since then, Intel has attempted to quietly and discreetly shift Cannon Lake under the rug, as if it didn’t exist (it does exist, we did a big review on it, and Crimson Canyon is still for sale today at some of Intel’s biggest partners and major retailers).

Without Intel needing to admit that the first generation had failed, Ice Lake was the true ‘native’ 10nm product that was destined for life in the fast lane for consumers. If that was the case, then the low key presentation at CES 2018 stating it was shipping in 2017 was simply to meet investor targets. Intel never promoted Ice Lake as its first 10nm product, but the fact that the Cannon Lake product wasn't great meant that the company had to try and remove it from people's minds.

On Ice Lake, we studied the Ice Lake design, and we’ve seen lots of notebooks built on it. The fact that Intel called it ‘10th Gen’, and then also released the Comet Lake 14++++ product also called ‘10th Gen’, really ended up confusing the company even more, even in presentations to the press. It was the first time Intel had two products within the same generation of marketing name under different process nodes. It even confused OEM partner marketing teams as well as sales staff.

The problem with calling Ice Lake the new 10nm, is that internally the engineers still called it 10+. As Intel also announced other new products, such as Snow Ridge, or Lakefield, despite these meant to be called under the new 10nm, they would often be cited as ‘10+’ depending on which department of Intel you spoke to.

10nm Takes a Different Tack: Sapphire Rapids and Tiger Lake

In later 2019, during Intel’s HPC DevCon event focusing on supercomputers, the company discussed its post-Ice Lake server processor, Sapphire Rapids. It had already been announced that Sapphire Rapids was to power the Aurora supercomputer (which was originally supposed to have a 10nm Xeon Phi processor), however as part of the DevCon event we were discussion Sapphire Rapids in the context of a 10+++ process node. This event was mostly under the auspices of engineers, and those engineers were using 10+++ under the oldest naming scheme to identify Sapphire Rapids, or in other conversations, 10++. We were subsequently corrected by marketing in confirming that the official process node name was 10++; the engineers somewhat scoffed at this as a knock on effect to the Ice Lake name changing.

With the confusion on what to call these products between marketing and engineering, the discussions between the two (at least, from my perspective) didn’t really have any teeth at the time. Engineers didn’t either know about the new naming scheme, or didn’t understand why marketing had changed the names. Marketing wasn’t always there to correct engineering when speaking externally, and even if they were, sometimes the engineers wouldn’t understand the reasons why the names had changed. It starting to come to a head when Intel was discussing the product after Ice Lake, called Tiger Lake.

At CES 2020, the company announced Tiger Lake to the world in its Keynote address. As part of that keynote, as well as the press briefings, there was a lot of discussion as to whether this was a 10++ or 10+ product. People were getting confused between the old naming schemes and the new naming scheme, and whichever one was being used at the time.

I have continually had the conversation, especially at technical events, where I need to ask someone from Intel to clarify which scheme they were working under for any given product. For anyone outside of this bubble trying to keep track of it all, I can’t imagine what headaches you might have had – I was talking directly to Intel a lot of the time and it was giving me plenty of headaches! As Intel started announcing more 10nm-class products from different portfolio lines, each business unit had its own engineers in its own state of confusion. This came to a head when Intel changed the naming a second time.

No More Pluses, It’s All About SuperFin

As part of Intel’s Architecture Day 2020, the company did three things:

  1. Go into detail about Tiger Lake
  2. Go into detail about DG1 Xe Graphics, and new products in the portfolio
  3. Rename the different 10nm process node using SuperFin

As part of that event, Intel went into some detail about its new ‘SuperFin’ technology. Using an updated metal stack and new capacitor technology, Intel had designated its latest BKM update for Tiger Lake and DG1 graphics as ‘10nm SuperFin’.

This is very much a marketing name, but the idea from the point of view of Intel’s communications team was to rebadge every 10nm product from Intel with some new variation of SuperFin as needed. This pushed Intel away from the ++++ nomenclature (something I’d advocated for anyway), and gave an opportunity for the company to realign all of its manufacturing branding with this new scheme.

While an interesting direction, Intel’s communications team has had two problems with this.

  1. Most/Some engineers were still working on the original naming scheme
  2. Some engineers/marketing were working on the first updated naming scheme and didn’t get the memo

Since changing from + and ++ to SuperFin, I have had a number of confusing calls with Intel’s engineers.

At Hot Chips in August, I was told by the presenter of the Ice Lake Xeon processors that the technology was an ‘enhanced 10nm’, which could have been meant as 10+, under the original naming scheme.

Even this week, for the launch of Intel’s new embedded Atom CPUs, I was told these CPUs were ‘10++’, without any indication of which naming scheme they were using. I was then told it was SuperFin. After the press release was changed for SuperFin, and we published our article, it was noticed that Intel's own product database had it listed as regular 10nm, no SuperFin. It turns out that it was regular 10nm, no SuperFin, the same as Ice Lake.

Even when directly discussing with Intel’s communication teams, they would start referring to the original naming scheme, or the first updated scheme. I've had to request double confirmation on multiple occasions. While Intel has a main HQ communications team, each business unit inside Intel has its own PR people. Each business unit may also be working with a PR agency (sometimes different to each other), and then beyond that, there may be different PR connections for each region, and then each with its own localized PR company. Renaming a product or a process is thus a very hard thing to force down every channel, compared to a new product which should have the right name on the initial documents.

When speaking with Intel’s lead Tiger Lake engineers in a 1-on-1 interview, I asked them outright if the new SuperFin naming scheme was being used by the engineering teams. I was told that for the most part, it was. I followed up asking if mistakes and slip ups were made, and the answer came back in the affirmative. It’s somewhat clear that the Engineering teams don’t like being pushed around by the marketing/communications teams in this way, having to change internal documents and naming processes in order to internalize what stuff is being called when it can’t be called what it originally was almost a decade ago. We see the same thing when engineers are rolled out to present about new products – they will call the processors by the internal code names, not ‘Core 10th Gen’ or similar, and often have to stop themselves by continually saying the code name.

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  • Luminar - Saturday, September 26, 2020 - link

    The wildfires were a result of AMD sabotage. Someone tried benchmarking his FX-8350 and R9 290x build.
  • Spunjji - Monday, September 28, 2020 - link

    😂
  • eastcoast_pete - Saturday, September 26, 2020 - link

    I hope Ryan is okay (health- and otherwise)! I actually got a bit concerned - this launch is a classic "Ryan does a deep dive review" moment. Or, did you guys at AT get on Jensen's sh#"list so they wouldn't send you review samples? But if, I can't see why that would be!
  • Spunjji - Monday, September 28, 2020 - link

    Yeah, I too am sad that we haven't received his insight on Ampere, as a lot of the content put out by other sites has left me wanting (and don't get me started on the YouTube soft-serve junk).

    On the flip side, I'm even more upset about how much of CA is on fire. 😫
  • watersb - Saturday, September 26, 2020 - link

    Focus on the process node as a nominal feature size is over. Why can't we just let it go?

    This Tiger Lake bit, with SuperFin, would not be the same without that new capacitor design for the metal layer. A stack of materials, each layer on the order of three Ångstroms, that's nuts.

    As long as we are fetishizing the light source wavelength or whatever, let's talk about the level of complexity that must be addressed.

    So maybe Intel will not discuss design rules or validation protocols; that's intellectual property that they rely upon every bit as much as the frickin' ASML laser beams. Okay, you can't get them to comment, or provide slides, so not much to write about.

    But we might at least entertain the notion that a godlike, perfect nano bot might well assemble some device at a 14nm scale that far exceeds what is considered possible in 2020.
  • davide445 - Saturday, September 26, 2020 - link

    So much appreciating the inquisitive and specialistic work you are doing in Anandtech. The safe heaven I can always look at for objective unbiased analysis. Waiting for your Ampere GPU review.
  • dontlistentome - Saturday, September 26, 2020 - link

    Windows NT when it launched could support x86, DEC Alpha, MIPS and other CPU architectures transparently.
    If only they'd stuck with that - we'd have ARM laptops and desktops as a matter of course now, and Intel/AMD would have been a whole step forward than where they are with proper competition between competing instruction sets.
  • Alaa - Saturday, September 26, 2020 - link

    Bloody hell!
  • TheJian - Saturday, September 26, 2020 - link

    "Intel ever wants to become a foundry player again."
    Funny, I thought they were basically running all fabs full steam (thus a player for a massively large portion of the market). Granted for a bit they will be using others (always have for some stuff) for some main launches now, but it is only until they right the fab ship and they have many ways to do that.

    Acting like Intel is out of the game making 23.6B NET INCOME TTM is almost as bad as Ryan calling 1440p the enthusiast standard at 660ti launch...ROFLMAO. Go see the comments on that article to see how stupid his/j. Walton arguments were. Walton eventually resorted to name calling/personal attacks etc. I buried you guys with your OWN data...ROFL.

    Oh, well, Intel's not a portal site here so...Yeah, I own the stock and wouldn't touch AMD with a 10ft pole if YOU were holding it. I said the slide was coming, we're 94 down to 77 now? A few more ~100mil Q's and people will take it back down to 30, and if they can't prove then a Billion/Q NET INCOME then they'll go way under that at some point.

    That said, RAISE YOUR PRICES amd, so you can finally break 1B NET INCOME for a few quarters while owning some of the best cpus for years. If you don't break a billion in the next Q or two, you need to be bought, or CEO fired. NV just took back 9% share. Intel just had a record Q. You are doing nothing but hurting YOUR net income by not raising prices on very good product. Quit trying for cheap share, and start chasing RICH like NV/Intel. People buying parts under $250 on either side don't make you rich. Just stop consoles altogether and you'll have more R&D for stuff that makes more than 10-15% margins (consoles are made for $95-105 last gen, AMD made single digits for much of it, then mid teens, meaning 15% or less, or you'd say 16%). Consoles are why your cpu dropped out of the race for round1 (had to design 2 of those instead of cpus 7yrs ago or so) and gpu sucked all through the refresh etc. Timing is rough here, but you get the point.

    They made a stupid bet on consoles dictating PC life, and well, NV said nope, and we listened to NV mostly :) You won't win with price if the other guy is kicking you perf wise. Richer people pay for perf, while the poor want that discount. That is the difference between an AMD Q report vs. Intel/NVDA. NV looks at possible margin and says, "consoles? ROFL. Whatever dude, I like making more on workstation/server and flagship desktops." Intel said the same and shafted celeron/pentium etc (poor people chips left 10% empty handed for ages) while moving wafers to high margin stuff (thus even losing on some sales, but still gaining revenue/income). Dump the cheap stuff when silicon is short (everywhere) and your enemy has good product. IE, fight only in stuff that makes highest margin(forget 8-15% crap like consoles - AMD said single digits early on, NOT ME).
  • AMDSuperFan - Saturday, September 26, 2020 - link

    I think what you are missing is we enjoy playing AMD on our consoles very much. Who cares how much money a company makes. The market has spoken and said if AMD makes a billion a year, it is still as valuable as Intel or Nvidia. It is possible that in 20 or 30 years AMD might make that $23B that year and then you will feel very silly for saying the stock is not worth $30. I like AMD because of the 486DX4-120. It was faster than the DX3-100. I have been a fan ever since. Also, I liked ATI cards very much. Nvidia liked Voodoo2 cards and bought them for pennies on the dollar. AMD cards might be noisier and slower but they still are good for all the last generation games before Nvidia came out with their cheat of ray tracing technology. I still have a 7800 adapter which is quite fast for a lot of games. Even Diablo #2 is quite nice on it.

    So while you are talking money, I think John Carmack would approve of the AMD cards and processors of today. When AMD put 100 or 200 cores on a chip then people will know how serious they can be. Why would you want 8, 10, or even 16 ultra fast cores for computing, when you could have 200 cores to do more.

    Also, I think it is good that AMD are putting people in Taiwan to work instead of always focusing their labor on Americans and Texans like they used to.

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