Comparing 15 W TGL to 15 W ICL to 15 W Renoir

Despite the hullaballoo with the 28 W numbers on Tiger Lake, we suspect that most OEMs will still be positioning the hardware inside chassis built for the 15 W ultraportable market. This is where most of Intel’s OEMs have had success over the last decade, as the lower cooling requirements allow for a more user-friendly design. At 28 W, there is more of a cross-over into laptops that have discrete graphics options, and the main company that has succeeded in offering 28 W laptops without discrete graphics has been Apple - most Intel partners, if they want discrete graphics, end up looking at the 45 W processors with more cores.

So in that respect, our main battle should occur between the products built for 15 W. To that end we have been able to put the three together that will command this holiday season’s offerings: Ice Lake, Tiger Lake, and AMD’s Renoir.

  • For our Ice Lake system, we have the Microsoft Surface Laptop 3. This has the top-of-the-line quad-core Core i7-1065G7, along with 16 GB of LPDDR4X-3733. Base 1.3 GHz, Turbo 3.9 GHz.  Because this is an OEM design, Microsoft have determined the PL1 and PL2 values, and so they might be different from a ‘base’ design, however this is data from a real system.
  • The Tiger Lake system is our Reference Design from Intel, running the quad-core Core i7-1185G7 at 15 W TDP mode. It has 16 GB of LPDDR4X-4266. Base 1.8 GHz, Turbo 4.8 GHz.
  • Our AMD Renoir system is one of the most premium examples of AMD’s Ryzen Mobile in a 15W form factor, the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 with the eight-core Ryzen 7 4800U processor. Even when set to the highest performance mode, the system still operates with a 15 W sustained power draw. It comes equipped with 16 GB of LPDDR4X-4266. Base 1.8 GHz, Turbo 4.2 GHz.

Compute Workload

For our 15 W comparisons, we can look again at the same benchmarks as the previous page. First up is y-Cruncher, an AVX2/AVX512 compute workload that tasks the CPU and the memory by calculating 2.5 billion digits of Pi, and requires ~11 GB of DRAM.

As we saw on the previous page, our Tiger Lake system in green at 15 W turbos up to ~53 watts before very quickly coming down to 15 W for the rest of the test.

The Microsoft Surface Laptop 3, by virtue of an OEM system, has different behavior - it turbos for longer, settles into a short turbo limit of 25 W, and then after about two minutes comes down to 20 W. The system then appears to opportunistically up the power draw until the end of the test, likely due to detecting extra thermal headroom.

The AMD Renoir processor does not turbo as high, peaking at only 38.9 W. Over the course of the next 100 seconds or slow, we see a small ramp down to just under 30 watts, before a more consistent decline over 30 seconds to 15 W, before staying at 15 W for the full test. The Renoir here has eight cores rather that four, but is running AVX2 rather than AVX-512 code.

The results are as follows:

  • Ice Lake: 233 seconds, for 6072 joules, averaging 26.1 W
  • Tiger Lake: 241 seconds for 4082 joules, averaging 17.0 W
  • Renoir: 234 seconds for 5386 joules, averaging 23.0 W

All three systems perform the test in roughly the same amount of time, however the Tiger Lake system is very much ahead for efficiency. Tiger Lake effectively shaves off a third of the power from the previous generation Ice Lake system. We weren’t expecting this much of a jump from Ice Lake to Tiger Lake, but it would appear that Intel has done some work on the AVX-512 unit, and is putting that new high-performance transistor to use.

Professional ISV Workload

Moving onto the Agisoft test - as mentioned on the previous page, this is a 2D image to 3D modeling workflow where the algorithm comes in four stages, some of which prefer full multi-thread throughput, while others are more frequency and memory sensitive.

First, the Renoir finishes in almost half the time, mostly due to the fact that it has double the number of cores - there is no AVX-512 codepath in this test, and so all the processors rely on a mix of SSE, AVX, and perhaps some AVX2. That aside, the turbo behavior of Renoir is very interesting - we get almost 10 minutes of higher-than-base performance before the algorithm sets into a routine, hovering around 22 W. Because this test doesn’t attack the vector units as hard as the previous test, it may be a case that the Renoir system can manage the power distribution a bit better between the eight cores, allowing for the higher turbo.

Between the Ice Lake and the Tiger Lake, from the graph it would appear to be a double win for Tiger Lake, finishing in a shorter time but also consuming less power. The results are:

  • 15 W Renoir: 2842 seconds for 62660 joules
  • 15 W Ice Lake: 4733 seconds for 82344 joules
  • 15 W Tiger Lake: 4311 seconds for 64854 joules

In this case, it’s a win for Renoir - a lot shorter time, and better power to boot, derived from the eight cores built on TSMC 7nm. Tiger Lake still represents a good jump over Ice Lake, offering 10% better performance at only 79% of the power, or a 13% increase in performance efficiency.

Power Consumption: Comparing 15 W TGL to 28 W TGL CPU ST Performance: SPEC 2006, SPEC 2017
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  • huangcjz - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    No, you can say "have to hand" as in something which is available. E.g. "Do you have the presentation to hand?"
  • 29a - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    Wouldn't a non Iris chip be a fairer comparison to Renoir?
  • Kamen Rider Blade - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    AMD's 4800U has a 25 watt mode, Hardware UnBoxed tested it against Intel.

    Why didn't you test it and put those results in the chart?

    Why this biased reviewing of one side gets 15 watt and 28 watt scores.

    Yet AMD isn't allowed to show 25 watt scores?

    What are you afraid of when comparing like for like?
  • IanCutress - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    For us, the 15W to 15W results were the focal point. 28W is there to show a max Intel and look at scaling. Also, The amount of 4800U devices at 25W is minimal.

    Not only that, I'm on holiday. I had to spend two days out, while in this lovely cottage in the countryside, to write 18k words, rather than spend time with my family. I had 4 days with the TGL laptop, and 8 days notice in advance to prepare before the deadline. Just me with a couple of pages from Andrei, no-one else. Still posted the review 30 minutes late, while writing it in a pub as my family had lunch. Had to take the amd laptop with me to test, and it turns out downloading Borderlands 3 in the middle of nowhere is a bad idea.

    Not only that, I've been finishing up other projects last week. I do what I can in the time I have. This review is 21k words and more detailed than anything else out there done by a single person currently in the middle of a vacation. If you have further complains, our publisher's link is at the bottom of the webpage. Or roll your own. What are you afraid of? I stand by my results and my work ethic.
  • PixyMisa - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    I really appreciate the effort. The individual SPEC results are vastly more useful than (for example) a single Geekbench score.
  • Spunjji - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link

    I can second that - I appreciate seeing a breakdown of the strengths/weaknesses of each core design.
  • Kamen Rider Blade - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link

    We appreaciate your hard work, I do watch your YT channel Tech Tech Potato. That being said, if you knew about this issue, with not comparing like for like; then just omit the 28 W scores from the Intel machine and just focus on Intel's 15W vs AMD's 15W.

    Why even include the 28W on the chart? You know how this makes you and Anandtech look, right? The issues of bias towards or against any entity could've been easily avoided if you had "Like for like" scores across the board. That's part of what Steve from Gamers Nexus and many of us enthusiast see's as "Bias Marketing" or "Paid Shilling" to manipulate results in one way or another. Many people can easily interpret your data of not showing "like for like" in many wrong ways when they have no context for it.

    If you didn't want to test AMD's 25 watt scores, nobody would care, just don't bring up Intel's equivalent 28 watt scores. Alot of the more casual readers won't look at the details and they can easily mis-interpret things. I prefer that your good name doesn't get dragged down in mud with a simple omission of certain benchmark figures. I know you wouldn't deliberately do that to show bias towards one entity or another, but will other folks know that?
  • Spunjji - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link

    Presenting the figures he has isn't bias. Bias would be proclaiming Intel to be the winner without noting the discrepancy, or specifically choosing tests to play to the strength of one architecture.

    As it is, the Lenovo device doesn't do a 25W mode, so you're asking him to add a full extra device's worth of testing to an already long review. That's a bit much.

    If you take a look at the 65W APU results and compare them, you'll see a familiar story for Renoir - there's not actually a whole lot of extra gas in the tank to be exploited by a marginally higher TDP. It performs spectacularly well at 15W, and that's that.
  • Kamen Rider Blade - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link

    You can literally just omit the 65W APU, it has no relevance to be on that chart.

    Ok, if that Lenovo LapTop doesn't offer a 25W mode, fine. Maybe Hardware Unboxed got a different model of LapTop for the 4800U. Then don't present Intel's 28W mode.

    That's how people misunderstand things when there is a deliberate omission of information or extra information that the other side doesn't happen. The lack of pure like for like causes issues.
  • Spunjji - Saturday, September 19, 2020 - link

    You're *demanding bias*. They had the Intel device with a 28W mode, 28W figures are a big part of the TGL proposition, so they tested it and labelled it all appropriately. That isn't bias.

    The "lack of pure like for like" only causes issues if you don't really pay attention to what the article says about what they had and how they tested it.

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