How To Treat a 1+4 Hybrid CPU

At the top of the article, I explained that the reason for using two different types of processor core, one big on performance and the other big on efficiency, was that users could get the best of both worlds depending on if a workload could be run efficiently in the background, or needed the high performance for a user experience interaction. You may have caught onto the fact that I also stated that because Intel is using a 1+4 design, it actually makes more sense for multi-threaded workloads to run on the four Atom cores.

Using a similar power/performance graphs, the effect of having a 1+4 design is quite substantial. On the left is the single core power/performance graphs, but on the right is when we compare 1 Sunny Cove to all 4 Tremont cores working together.

 

Where the previous graph considered a 1+1 design, which is more relevant in those user experience scenarios listed above, on the right is the 1+4 design for when the user demands a heavier workload that might not be latency critical. Because there are four Atom cores, the blue line multiplies by four in both directions.

Now obviously the real world scenario is somewhere between the two, as it is possible to use only one, two, or three of the smaller cores at any given time. The CPU and the OS is expected to know this, so it can govern when workloads that can be split across multiple cores end up on either the big core or the small core.

In this graph from Intel, we have three distinct modes on which threads can operate.

  • ‘Sunny Cove/SNC’ is for responsiveness and user experience threads,
  • ‘Tremont/TNT Foreground’, for user related tasks that require multiple threads that the user is waiting on.
  • ‘Tremont/TNT Background’, for non-user related tasks run in efficiency mode

Even though the example here is web browsing, it might be best to consider something a bit beefier, like video encoding.

If we run video encoding, because it is a user related task that requires multiple threads, it will run on the four Tremont cores (TNT FG). Anything that Windows wants to do alongside that gets scheduled as TNT BG. If we then open up the start menu, because that is a responsiveness task, that gets scheduled on the SNC core.

Is 1+4 the Correct Configuration?

Intel here has implemented a 1+4 core design, however in the smartphone space, things are seen a little differently. The most popular configuration, by far, is a 4+4 design, simply because a lot of smartphone code is written to take advantage of multiple foreground or multiple background threads. There are a number of cost-down designs that reduce die area and power by going for a 2+4 implementation. Everyone seems adamant that 4 is a good number for the smaller cores, partly because they are small and cheap to add, but because Arm’s quad-core implementation is a base unit for its IP.

The smartphone space in recent quarters has also evolved from a two tier system of cores. In some of the more leading edge designs, we now have three types of core: a big, a middle, and a small. Because of the tendency to stay with eight core designs, we now get 1+3+4 or 2+2+4 designs, powered by complex schedulers that manage where to put the threads for the best user experience, the best battery life, or somewhere in the middle. Mediatek has been famously dabbling in 10 core designs, going for a 2+4+4 approach.

One thing missing from all of these implementations is an SoC with one big core and four small cores. Smartphone vendors don’t seem to be interested in 1+4 silicon, and yet Intel has decided on it for Lakefield. This is borne out of decisions made on both sides.

From the smartphone perspective, when hybrid designs came about, the big cores just weren’t powerful enough on their own. In order to offer something more than simply basic, at least two cores were needed, but because of how Arm architected the big and little designs, it almost became standard to look into 4+4 implementations of big and small cores. It was only until this configuration was popularized over a couple of years, and Arm big cores got more powerful, that chip designs started looking at 2+4, or 1+3+4 designs.

On Intel’s side of the fence, the biggest problem it has is the size of the Sunny Cove core. By comparison, it’s really, really big. Because the graphics core is the same as Ice Lake and reuses its design, there simply isn’t enough room within the 82 mm2 compute die to add another core. Not only that, but there is a question of power. Sunny Cove wasn’t built for sub-1W operation, even in the Tremont design. We see big smartphone silicon pulling 4-5W when all eight cores are active – there is no way, based on our understanding of Intel’s designs, that we could see four (or even two) Sunny Cove cores being in the optimal performance per watt range while being that low. Intel’s Lakefield graphics, with 64 EUs, is running at only 500 MHz – a lot lower than the Ice Lake designs. Even if Intel moved that down to a 32 EU design to make space for another Sunny Cove core, I reckon that it would eat the power budget for breakfast and then some.

Intel has made the 1+4 design to act as a 0+4 design that sometimes has access to a higher performance mode. Whereas smartphone chips are designed for all eight cores to power on for sustained periods, Lakefield is built only for 0+4 sustained workloads. And that might ultimately be its downfall. This leads onto a deep discussion about Lakefield’s performance, and what we should expect from it.

Hybrid CPUs: Sunny Cove and Tremont Lakefield in Terms of Laptop Size
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  • eek2121 - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link

    Right, and AMD has 14nm chips that are 6W. I expect they will be releasing a quad core Zen 2 based product that fits in a 6W power envelope in due time.
  • Jorgp2 - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link

    Lol, no.

    That's a 6w base clock.
  • yeeeeman - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link

    It might fit into 6W but it won't fit into the same package as LKF. I think people don't understand this is a 1cmx1cm package with basically an entire motherboard worth of components.
  • Spunjji - Friday, July 10, 2020 - link

    Definitely not. But is that really all that big of an advantage in a 13" devices that are already hitting the legal limit for battery capacity? It does feel a bit like a solution looking for a problem.

    The low idle power is a bigger sell, but the performance penalty is a heavy one.
  • Spunjji - Friday, July 10, 2020 - link

    Van Gogh is supposed to be around 9W - I expect they'll probably have knocked-down variants capable of 6W operation.
  • ikjadoon - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link

    And nobody will enjoy running a 7 W to 9.5 W x86 CPU on Windows 10: not in a laptop, not on a tablet, not on a convertible. There is simply too much legacy junk in Windows 10 and this project may only bear fruit in the 2030s, if it's not canned.

    If these run Windows 10X, perhaps there's a niche market, but Intel is obviously jamming a Hemi engine into a Prius and it looks a last-ditch, mostly fruitless, billion-dollar bet from the outside.

    Not unlike Nokia, a few years before completely abandoning their Lumia lineup under MS, decided to invest huge money into Lumia cameras: a lot of money thrown into a pit of fire.

    Intel has been unable to "get ready" for the mobile / thin-client era of computing for a decade now.
  • Meteor2 - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link

    Windows runs just fine on low-powered computers -- as long as there's enough RAM and at least a SATA SSD.
  • Icehawk - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link

    Except this maxes out at 8gb which is barely adequate in W10, 16gb is really necessary unless you like to choke or run super lean. My enterprise laptop sits at 6gb after a fresh boot just on the desktop due to all the corporate junk on there - we have some Lenovos with 8gb soldered RAM and they are hot garbage.
  • yeeeeman - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link

    I have a 2014 Intel atom z3735f tablet with 2gb of ram and swap handles things pretty well. 8GB of RAM is enough for 95% of people.
  • ProDigit - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link

    6GB is what most need for a 64 bit version of windows home.
    8gb only if you're multitasking.
    You could also run linux, and be fine with 2GB.

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