Power Results (15W and 25W)

Based on the SKU table, Intel was very keen to point out that all of the Y-series processors for Ice Lake and all the 15W U-series processors have cTDP up modes. This means that OEMs, if they build for it, can take advantage of a higher base power of a processor which leads to longer turbo periods and a higher frequency during sustained performance levels.

While cTDP is a good idea, one of the issues we have with the concept is that Intel’s OEM partners that design the laptops and notebooks for these processors don’t ever advertise or publicise if they’re using a CPU in cTDP up or down mode. I could understand why a vendor might not want to advertise using a down mode, but an up mode means extra performance, and it’s hard to tell from the outside what is going on.

For what it is worth, most users cannot change between these modes anyway. They are baked into the firmware and the operating system. However there are a few systems that do expose this to the user, as I recently found out with my Whiskey Lake-U platform, where the OS power plan has advanced options to set the TDP levels. Very interesting indeed.

Also, for Ice Lake-U, Intel is introducing a feature called Intel Dynamic Tuning 2.0.

We covered this in our architecture disclosure article, but the short and simple of it is that it allows OEMs to implement a system whereby the PL1/TDP of a system can change based on an algorithm over time. So it allows for higher strict turbo, and then adjusts the turbo budget over time.

This feature will be branded under Intel’s Adaptix brand, which covers all these CPU optimizations. However, it should be noted, that this feature is optional for the OEM. It requires the OEM to actually do the work to characterize the thermal profile of the system. We suspect that it will be mostly on premium devices, but as the chips roll out into cheaper systems, this will not be there. Intel is not making this feature standard.

Testing Power

Based on the time available, we weren’t able to do much power testing. What I was able to do was run a power profile during the start of our 3DPM AVX512 test in both 15W and 25W modes for the Core i7-1065G7.

The test here runs for 20 seconds, then rests for 10 seconds. Here are the first four sub-tests, and there are a lot of interesting points to note.

The peak power in these systems is clearly the PL2 mode, which on the Intel SDS platform seems to be around the 50W mode. Given that the functional test system is a bit of a chonk, with a strong thermal profile and the fan on all the time, this is perhaps to be expected. The suggested PL2 for Kaby Lake-R was 44W, so this might indicate a small jump in strategy. Of course, with the Kaby Lake-R designs, we never saw many devices that actually had a PL2 of 44W – most OEMs chose something smaller, like 22W or 35W.

The fact that the CPU can sustain a 50W PL2 means that Intel could easily release Ice Lake into the desktop market at the 35W range. Easy. Please do this Intel.

Second to note is the AVX-512 frequency. Not listed here, but under the 15W mode we saw the AVX-512 frequency around 1.0-1.1 GHz, while at 25W it was around 1.4-1.5 GHz. That’s quite a drop from non AVX-512 code, for sure.

Third, we come to the turbo window. Increasing the base TDP means that the turbo window has more budget to turbo, and we can see that this equates to more than 2x on all the sub-tests. In the 15W mode, on the first test, we blow through the budget within 5 seconds, but on the 25W mode, we can actually turbo all the way through the 20 seconds of the first test. This means that there is still technically budget on the table by the time we start the second test under the 25W mode.

Also, that third test – if you are wondering why that graph looks a little light on the data points compared to the others, it is because the AVX-512 instructions took so much of the time on the CPU, that our power software didn’t get any for itself to update the power values. We still got enough to make a graph, but that just goes to show what hammering the CPU can do.

For the base power consumption, we actually have an issue here with the observer effect. Our polling software is polling too often and spiking up the power a little bit. However, if we take the average power consumption between 25-30 seconds, under 25W this is 2.96W, and under 15W this is 2.87W, which is similar.

For users interested in the score differential between the two:

For 3DPM without AVX instructions, the 15W mode scored 816, and 25W mode scored 1020 (+25%).
For 3DPM with AVX-512, the 15W mode scored 7204, and 25W mode scored 9242 (+28%).

SPEC2017 and SPEC2006 Results (15W) System Results (15W)
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  • Alistair - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    I find partisanship frustrating. You are absolutely right that we just got IPC but bad frequency from both AMD and Intel, so it is nice to see the IPC side of things, but we should be able to criticize Intel without someone brushing us off as being AMD supporters or some nonsense. The new products (these mobile chips in particular) are not very good. Still should be polite to Ian Cutress, he does do fantastic work.

    I guess I didn't get the memo that no 6 core ultra low voltage parts were coming. I'm very disappointed in the very tiny gains this year. I'm waiting for a good 6 core CPU at 25 watts.
  • 0ldman79 - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Welcome to the Internet, where voicing an opinion on anything gets you labeled as a fanboy/X political party.

    Every good forum needs a block button... lol
  • eva02langley - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    The difference here is that Ryzen 3000 clock higher than 2000.... little difference...
  • Alistair - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Absolutely at least AMD's chips clock the same or an extra 100 mhz higher, Intel's new chips clock several hundred mhz slower, making them really poor this year. Making 6 core options more important than ever. 4 cores in this situation are really useless without a large price drop.
  • 0ldman79 - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    This is also the efficient line of chips. Last I heard they got the efficient transistor design going but not the high performance one.

    They may clock higher, they may be limited by the architecture. Dunno. Could entirely be because they packed the chip too tight, the hotspots that spike the Zen 2 temps may actually be causing significant issues with 10nm. In this case the whole "transistors per sq mm" argument may become moot. Packing them in so tight they can't displace heat properly is a bad thing and may be what is happening here.
  • HStewart - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    I think you to give both Ian and Intel more credit, there is no doubt that Intel has some struggles with going to 10nm but this is first part of the recovery. The results here are extremely impressive especially that these products are low power laptop and not large desktop gaming machines.

    It would be interesting to compare the new Dell XPS 13 2in1 against existing dell XPS 15 2in1 in which the 15 2in1 has higher power cpu and GPU. I would say it likely with results here, the 13 2in1 has chance of beating the 15 2in1

    It going to be interesting to see what 45W laptops are like and the desktop chips on Sunny Cove.
  • eva02langley - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Give Intel credit... HAHAHAHAHAHA.... they don't deserve any credit. These directors just want to have the stock rise to have a better pay check. Everything they do is biased with this in mind.
  • unclevagz - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Public company senior management want stock price rises for bigger bonuses, in other news water is wet.
  • Xyler94 - Sunday, August 4, 2019 - link

    Water cannot be wet, funny enough. "Wet" is the property of an object that has come in contact with a liquid, most notibly water, since water cannot be I contact with itself to cause wetness, water is therefore, not wet. :P
  • Phynaz - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Dumbass

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