Power Results (15W and 25W)

Based on the SKU table, Intel was very keen to point out that all of the Y-series processors for Ice Lake and all the 15W U-series processors have cTDP up modes. This means that OEMs, if they build for it, can take advantage of a higher base power of a processor which leads to longer turbo periods and a higher frequency during sustained performance levels.

While cTDP is a good idea, one of the issues we have with the concept is that Intel’s OEM partners that design the laptops and notebooks for these processors don’t ever advertise or publicise if they’re using a CPU in cTDP up or down mode. I could understand why a vendor might not want to advertise using a down mode, but an up mode means extra performance, and it’s hard to tell from the outside what is going on.

For what it is worth, most users cannot change between these modes anyway. They are baked into the firmware and the operating system. However there are a few systems that do expose this to the user, as I recently found out with my Whiskey Lake-U platform, where the OS power plan has advanced options to set the TDP levels. Very interesting indeed.

Also, for Ice Lake-U, Intel is introducing a feature called Intel Dynamic Tuning 2.0.

We covered this in our architecture disclosure article, but the short and simple of it is that it allows OEMs to implement a system whereby the PL1/TDP of a system can change based on an algorithm over time. So it allows for higher strict turbo, and then adjusts the turbo budget over time.

This feature will be branded under Intel’s Adaptix brand, which covers all these CPU optimizations. However, it should be noted, that this feature is optional for the OEM. It requires the OEM to actually do the work to characterize the thermal profile of the system. We suspect that it will be mostly on premium devices, but as the chips roll out into cheaper systems, this will not be there. Intel is not making this feature standard.

Testing Power

Based on the time available, we weren’t able to do much power testing. What I was able to do was run a power profile during the start of our 3DPM AVX512 test in both 15W and 25W modes for the Core i7-1065G7.

The test here runs for 20 seconds, then rests for 10 seconds. Here are the first four sub-tests, and there are a lot of interesting points to note.

The peak power in these systems is clearly the PL2 mode, which on the Intel SDS platform seems to be around the 50W mode. Given that the functional test system is a bit of a chonk, with a strong thermal profile and the fan on all the time, this is perhaps to be expected. The suggested PL2 for Kaby Lake-R was 44W, so this might indicate a small jump in strategy. Of course, with the Kaby Lake-R designs, we never saw many devices that actually had a PL2 of 44W – most OEMs chose something smaller, like 22W or 35W.

The fact that the CPU can sustain a 50W PL2 means that Intel could easily release Ice Lake into the desktop market at the 35W range. Easy. Please do this Intel.

Second to note is the AVX-512 frequency. Not listed here, but under the 15W mode we saw the AVX-512 frequency around 1.0-1.1 GHz, while at 25W it was around 1.4-1.5 GHz. That’s quite a drop from non AVX-512 code, for sure.

Third, we come to the turbo window. Increasing the base TDP means that the turbo window has more budget to turbo, and we can see that this equates to more than 2x on all the sub-tests. In the 15W mode, on the first test, we blow through the budget within 5 seconds, but on the 25W mode, we can actually turbo all the way through the 20 seconds of the first test. This means that there is still technically budget on the table by the time we start the second test under the 25W mode.

Also, that third test – if you are wondering why that graph looks a little light on the data points compared to the others, it is because the AVX-512 instructions took so much of the time on the CPU, that our power software didn’t get any for itself to update the power values. We still got enough to make a graph, but that just goes to show what hammering the CPU can do.

For the base power consumption, we actually have an issue here with the observer effect. Our polling software is polling too often and spiking up the power a little bit. However, if we take the average power consumption between 25-30 seconds, under 25W this is 2.96W, and under 15W this is 2.87W, which is similar.

For users interested in the score differential between the two:

For 3DPM without AVX instructions, the 15W mode scored 816, and 25W mode scored 1020 (+25%).
For 3DPM with AVX-512, the 15W mode scored 7204, and 25W mode scored 9242 (+28%).

SPEC2017 and SPEC2006 Results (15W) System Results (15W)
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  • Phynaz - Saturday, August 3, 2019 - link

    You guessed wrong, but considering your education level that should be expected
  • Korguz - Saturday, August 3, 2019 - link

    i did ?? sure seems like you only want quad cores still... my guess, yours is maybe grade 10.
  • AntonErtl - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    I am guessing that SPEC CPU2017 Rate-1 means one copy of the benchmark, so it also gives us single-thread performance (and that explains why the power limit differences do not play a bigger role). Right?

    One thing that I find remarkable about the recent AMD and Intel launches is that Intel follows the pattern (already seen with Broadwell) of starting a new process with a low clock, and therefore with mobile products and then servers. If they follow their earlier pattern, we will see higher-clocked stuff on 10nm in the future.

    By contrast, AMD (and the smartphone SoC vendors) manage to get the same or better clock rates with the newer process as with the older ones.

    From what I hear, Intel is very much into hand-tuning their CPUs (that's why backporting Ice Lake to 14nm would be very expensive in terms of both labor and time-to-market), while AMD and the smartphone SoC vendors rely on more automatic tools. What is interesting is that AMD managed to get within a few % of clock rate of a highly tuned Intel chip (with several years of tuning both the process and the layout of the chip) with this more automatic approach, while having a similar IPC.

    Intel has been working on Ice Lake and 10nm for a while, and still suffer from a clock rate deficit compared to Whiskey Lake (but in a way, 10nm is just becoming usefully online now, so maybe we should start the clock now). The fact that they have increased the TDP of the Y SKUs and decreased the base clock of the 15W SKUs (from 1.9GHz for the 8665U to 1.3GHz for the 1065G7) indicates that they still have problems being competitive wrt power consumption under load with Whiskey Lake. It will be interesting to see the final products (and compare them to Whiskey Lake and Picasso products with similar power delivery and cooling).
  • Phynaz - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    AMD pushes their overvolted chips to the very limit. Intel doesn’t have to.
  • Korguz - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    " Intel doesn’t have to. " um.. i guess you havent seen the articles about how much intels cpus really use then. 95 watts, up to 200 watts in reality
  • Phynaz - Saturday, August 3, 2019 - link

    Wow, you’re really, really dumb. Do you get state aid?
  • Korguz - Saturday, August 3, 2019 - link

    oh how so ?? AT even posted a write up on this, obviously, you havent read it. so you are the one that needs aid, as you are the dumb one here....
  • Alexvrb - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link

    Reading isn't Phynaz' strong suit. However when you state a fact he can't counter, he immediately switches to low brow personal attacks - those are really more his speed.
  • mobutu - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    It doesn't mattter (for me), this time I'll buy AMD.
  • HStewart - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Then why comment if it doesn't matter to you.

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