Power Results (15W and 25W)

Based on the SKU table, Intel was very keen to point out that all of the Y-series processors for Ice Lake and all the 15W U-series processors have cTDP up modes. This means that OEMs, if they build for it, can take advantage of a higher base power of a processor which leads to longer turbo periods and a higher frequency during sustained performance levels.

While cTDP is a good idea, one of the issues we have with the concept is that Intel’s OEM partners that design the laptops and notebooks for these processors don’t ever advertise or publicise if they’re using a CPU in cTDP up or down mode. I could understand why a vendor might not want to advertise using a down mode, but an up mode means extra performance, and it’s hard to tell from the outside what is going on.

For what it is worth, most users cannot change between these modes anyway. They are baked into the firmware and the operating system. However there are a few systems that do expose this to the user, as I recently found out with my Whiskey Lake-U platform, where the OS power plan has advanced options to set the TDP levels. Very interesting indeed.

Also, for Ice Lake-U, Intel is introducing a feature called Intel Dynamic Tuning 2.0.

We covered this in our architecture disclosure article, but the short and simple of it is that it allows OEMs to implement a system whereby the PL1/TDP of a system can change based on an algorithm over time. So it allows for higher strict turbo, and then adjusts the turbo budget over time.

This feature will be branded under Intel’s Adaptix brand, which covers all these CPU optimizations. However, it should be noted, that this feature is optional for the OEM. It requires the OEM to actually do the work to characterize the thermal profile of the system. We suspect that it will be mostly on premium devices, but as the chips roll out into cheaper systems, this will not be there. Intel is not making this feature standard.

Testing Power

Based on the time available, we weren’t able to do much power testing. What I was able to do was run a power profile during the start of our 3DPM AVX512 test in both 15W and 25W modes for the Core i7-1065G7.

The test here runs for 20 seconds, then rests for 10 seconds. Here are the first four sub-tests, and there are a lot of interesting points to note.

The peak power in these systems is clearly the PL2 mode, which on the Intel SDS platform seems to be around the 50W mode. Given that the functional test system is a bit of a chonk, with a strong thermal profile and the fan on all the time, this is perhaps to be expected. The suggested PL2 for Kaby Lake-R was 44W, so this might indicate a small jump in strategy. Of course, with the Kaby Lake-R designs, we never saw many devices that actually had a PL2 of 44W – most OEMs chose something smaller, like 22W or 35W.

The fact that the CPU can sustain a 50W PL2 means that Intel could easily release Ice Lake into the desktop market at the 35W range. Easy. Please do this Intel.

Second to note is the AVX-512 frequency. Not listed here, but under the 15W mode we saw the AVX-512 frequency around 1.0-1.1 GHz, while at 25W it was around 1.4-1.5 GHz. That’s quite a drop from non AVX-512 code, for sure.

Third, we come to the turbo window. Increasing the base TDP means that the turbo window has more budget to turbo, and we can see that this equates to more than 2x on all the sub-tests. In the 15W mode, on the first test, we blow through the budget within 5 seconds, but on the 25W mode, we can actually turbo all the way through the 20 seconds of the first test. This means that there is still technically budget on the table by the time we start the second test under the 25W mode.

Also, that third test – if you are wondering why that graph looks a little light on the data points compared to the others, it is because the AVX-512 instructions took so much of the time on the CPU, that our power software didn’t get any for itself to update the power values. We still got enough to make a graph, but that just goes to show what hammering the CPU can do.

For the base power consumption, we actually have an issue here with the observer effect. Our polling software is polling too often and spiking up the power a little bit. However, if we take the average power consumption between 25-30 seconds, under 25W this is 2.96W, and under 15W this is 2.87W, which is similar.

For users interested in the score differential between the two:

For 3DPM without AVX instructions, the 15W mode scored 816, and 25W mode scored 1020 (+25%).
For 3DPM with AVX-512, the 15W mode scored 7204, and 25W mode scored 9242 (+28%).

SPEC2017 and SPEC2006 Results (15W) System Results (15W)
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  • Klimax - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Audio/Video processing on the go. Those areas tend to get support for new extensions pretty fast. Maybe browsers. Microsoft has for a while supported AVX512 for codegen. Maybe graphics drivers might use it too. (Not sure how it is now, but Intel was pretty bad in using available instructions in their drivers.)
  • Kevin G - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    It is also about ISA parity. This has been on of my running issues with x86 as a whole is that the ecosystem tends to spit out a new 'major' extension every two or three years and then segment it to certain parts of the market (AVX has yet to appear on Celerons, Atoms, Pentium etc. after 8 years of being availible on Sandy Bridge). The software development side would have more incentive to optimize code for AVX is it was universally available and they didn't have to worry about a new extension on on the horizon.

    *I should clarify that I am referring to user space ISA extensions here. New platforms etc. will likely introduce a handful of kernel and hypervisor extensions with every iteration but those should only matter to OS and driver developers.
  • Phynaz - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Wrong wrong wrong.
  • eva02langley - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Man, you two are easily the worst fanboys of all. Unable to see the big picture, only cherry picking whatever make sense to live in your delusional world of flying dinosaurs and laser sharks.
  • Korguz - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    how so eva02langley ?? to be fair.. ive seen the same from you
  • Hulk - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Great write-up Ian! Thank you so much for doing this. I have been reading a CPU reviews since 1998 so I think I know a thing or two about a good CPU review.
  • wut - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Intel's being nice (because of the new people it hired) and this is what it gets- More criticism. Can't win, huhn? Post one article and one big troll strolls in the first minute.
  • HStewart - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Ian,

    First of all, I think you did a wonderful and well down performance preview of Ice Lake mobile chips.

    But I do have some important realistic question, especially with long history of issues with Intel going to 10nm

    1. First of all, did Intel successfully overcome this hurdle? I am not yet sure they did for larger models - mostly like 2020 and more cores

    2. Are all of Spectre/Meltdown security issues been fix with Ice Lake, personally no body has yet send a realistic virus on this stuff and appears that Intel has fix them all in this cpu.

    3. IPC person people claimed it measurements were again 2015 Skylake cpu and you review indicates 8th generation cpus which sounds more likely

    4/ AVX-512 has amazing results especially in one of benchmark, one of reason I got into CPU's and stuff, is because 3d content create, I think we see a new software in that area because SigGraph 2019/.

    5. Internal Thunderbolt 3, yes it cost saving and yes we know USB4 is around the corner supporting it, but is there any performance advantages on the chip

    5. I would to see performance test of new Dell XPS 13 2in1 against the Dell XPS 15 2in1, Even the 15 2in1 has higher power CPU and possibly GPU, I have feeling the new XPS 13 2in1 will give it a run for money, just for kicks you add the old 13 2in1

    6, I am curious about what the performance of Y versions of Ice Lake will be like, not much was stated on it - how they compare to u.

    7. Of course interested and curious about 35/45W versions of Ice Lake, I would say they will be out in early 2020.

    Finally do you every see the merge of desktop chips and mobile chips, with power getting lower I would think that one day desktop chips would basically be the same as mobile.
  • eva02langley - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Nobody read that... just saying...
  • HStewart - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Does any body truly reads these comments any way.. the Articles are great but comments are just opinions and every one has one.

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