#CPUOverload: What is Realistic?

Truth be told, the concept of a project to benchmark almost 700-900 processors has been rattling around in my head for a few years. I actually wrote the first segment of this article way back in 2016. However, over the course of 2016 and 2017, building new testing suites has taken longer, priorities changed, and the project didn’t so much as get shelved as somewhat pushed down the order on a semi-permanent basis until there was an ideal opening. Those of you who have followed the site may have noticed my responsibilities increase over time, darting 200k miles a year around the world. It can be difficult to keep a large project buoyant without constant attention.

Between 2016 and today, we’ve still be churning though the tests on the hardware, and updating our benchmark database with as many chips as we can find, even if it wasn’t under a governed project. The most recent version of our CPU2019 Bench has 272 CPUs with data recorded on up to 246 benchmark data points for each, just to showcase perhaps what one person can do in a given year. However, the focus of Bench being a specific project wasn’t necessarily a primary target of the site. With the launch of our Bench2020 suite, with a wider variety of tests and analysis, we’re going to put this into action. That’s not to say I have more time than normal (I might have to propose what we can do about getting an intern), but with the recent pandemic keeping me on the ground, it does give a chance to take stock about what users are really after.

With #CPUOverload, the goal is to do more than before, and highlight the testing we do. This is why I’ve spent the best part of 25-30 pages talking about benchmark sustainability, usefulness, automation, and why every benchmark is relevant to some of our user base. Over the last decade, as a hardware tester providing results online for free, one obvious change in the requests from our readers has been to include specific benchmarks that target them, rather than generic ones related to their field. That’s part of what this project is, combined with testing at scale.

Users also want to find their exact CPU, and compare it to an exact CPU potential upgrade – a different model, at least in today’s naming conventions, might have different features. So getting exactly what you want to compare is always going to be better – being able to see how your Intel Core i5-2380P in that Dell OEM system you have had for 7 years compares to a newer Ryzen 7 2700E or Xeon E-2274G is all part of what makes this project exciting. That essence of scale, and trying to test as many different CPU variants as possible, is going to be a vital part of this project.

Obviously the best place to start with a project like this is two-fold: popular processors and modern processors. These get the most attention, and so covering the key parts from Coffee Lake, Kaby Lake, Ryzen and HEDT are going to be high on our list to start. The hardware that we’re also testing for review also gets a priority, so that’s why you might start seeing some Zhaoxin or Xeon/EPYC data enter Bench very soon. One funny element is that if you were to start listing what might be ‘high importance processors’, it very easily come back with a list of between 25-100 SKUs, with various i9/i7/i5/i3 and R7/R5/R3/APU as well as Intel/AMD HEDT and halo parts in there – that’s already 10 segments! Some users might want us to focus on the cheap Xeon parts coming out of China too. Obviously whatever our users want to see be tested, we want to hear about it.

As part of this project, we are also expecting to look at some retrospective performance. Future articles might include ‘how well does Ivy Bridge i5 perform today’, or given AMD and Intel’s tendency to compare five year products to each other, we are looking to do that too, in both short and longer form articles.

When I first approached AMD and Intel’s consumer processor divisions about this project, wondering how much interest there would be for it, both came back to me with positive responses. They filled in a few of my hardware gaps, but cautioned that even as internal PR teams, they won’t have access to most chips, especially the older ones. This means that as we process through the hardware, we might start reaching out to other partners in order to fill in the gaps.

Is testing 900 CPUs ultimately realistic? Based on the hardware I have today, if I had access to Narnia, I could provide data for about 350 of the CPUs. In reality, with our new suite, each CPU takes 20-30 hours to test on the CPU benchmarks, and another 10 hours for the gaming tests. Going for 50-100 CPUs/month might be a tough ask, but let’s see how we get on. We have these dozen or so CPUs in the graphs here to start.

Of course, comments are always welcome. If there’s a CPU, old or new, you want to see tested, then please drop a comment below. It will help how I arrange which test beds get priority.

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  • vasily - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link

    You might want to check out Phoronix Test Suite and openbenchmarking.org.

    https://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/
    https://openbenchmarking.org/
  • colinisation - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link

    would love to see the following processors added
    5775C (overclocked to 4Ghz) - just purely to see what impact the eDRAM has on workloads
    4770K
    7600K

    Phenom II X4
    Highest Bulldozer core

    VIA's highest performance x86 core
  • faizoff - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link

    What a gargantuan project this is going to be. And I cannot wait, oddly enough I've been using the bench tool the past few weeks to get a sense of how much difference an upgrade for me would make.

    I am probably one of the many (or few) people that have still held on to their i5 2500k and this is one of the places I can select that CPU and compare the benchmarks with newer releases.

    This project looks to be an amazing read once all done and will be especially looking forward to those segments "how well does x CPU run today?"
  • Alim345 - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link

    Are you going to make benchmark scripts available? They should be useful for individual comparisons, since many users might have overclocked CPUs which were more common in 2010-2015.
  • brantron - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link

    Just to fill out the starting set:

    7700K needs a common AMD counterpart, i.e. Ryzen 2600
    Sandy or Ivy Bridge i7
    Haswell i7

    That would also make for a good article, as it should be possible to overclock any of those to ~4.5 GHz for a more apples to apples comparison.
  • StormyParis - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link

    Thank you for that. My main question is not "what should I buy" because that's always very well covered, and on a fixed budget there's never much choice anyway, but "should I upgrade *now* which is only worth it when last time's amount of money gets you at least 2x performance. I'ive got a 7yo Core i5... I'll look into it !
  • eastcoast_pete - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link

    Ian, thanks for this!
    One aspect I've wondered about for a while is whether you could include performance/Watt in your tests and comparisons going forward? I know that's usually done for server CPUs, but I also find it of interest for desktop and laptop CPUs.
  • thebigteam - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link

    I think I have the below list of Intel CPUs available if needed, likely with working mobos too. Would be very happy to clean out the closet and get these to you guys :) Likely some 2009/2010 Athlons as well
    E8400
    i3 530
    i3 540
    i5 760
    i5 2500
    i5 4670K
  • inighthawki - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link

    Thank you so much for changing your gaming benchmark methodology. I tend to play my games at 1440p on lowest settings for maximum framerates, which is far more often than not CPU bound. It was always so annoying seeing the benchmarks be GPU bound when I'm trying to see how much a new CPU helps.
  • Smell This - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link

    Chicken
    (lol)

    With AM3, AM2+ and AM2 processors, AM3+ processors broke backwards-compatibility.

    A mobo like the MSI 790FX K9A2 Platinum transitioned nearly 250 processors from S754-939, to AM2-AM3, beginning with the single-core Athlon 64 3000+ 'Orleans' up to the PhII x6 DDR3 Thubans.

    These were the progeny of the K8 or 'Hammer' projects. A Real Man would never leave them behind ...

    https://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-MSI/K9A2_Platinum_%...

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