AMD Zen 2 Microarchitecture Analysis: Ryzen 3000 and EPYC Rome
by Dr. Ian Cutress on June 10, 2019 7:22 PM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
- AMD
- Ryzen
- EPYC
- Infinity Fabric
- PCIe 4.0
- Zen 2
- Rome
- Ryzen 3000
- Ryzen 3rd Gen
Building a core like Zen 2 requires more than just building a core. The interplay between the core, the SoC design, and then the platform requires different internal teams to come together to create a level of synergy that working separately lacks. What AMD has done with the chiplet design and Zen 2 shows great promise, not only in taking advantage of smaller process nodes, but also driving one path on the future of compute.
When going down a process node, the main advantages are lower power. That can be taken in a few ways: lower power for operation at the same performance, or more power budget to do more. We see this with core designs over time: as more power budget is opened or different units within the core get more efficient, that extra power is used to drive cores wider, hopefully increasing raw instruction rate. It’s not an easy equation to solve, as there are many trade-offs: one such example in the Zen 2 core is the relationship between the reduced L1 I-cache that has allowed AMD to double the micro-op cache, which overall AMD expects to help with performance and power. Going into the minutae of what might be possible, at least at a high level, is like playing with Lego for these engineers.
All that being said, Zen 2 looks a lot like Zen. It is part of the same family, which means it looks very similar. What AMD has done with the platform, enabling PCIe 4.0, and putting the design in place to rid the server processors of the NUMA-like environment is going to help AMD in the long run. The outlook is good for AMD here, depending on how high it can drive the frequency of the server parts, but Zen 2 plus Rome is going to remove a good number of questions that customers on the fence had about Zen.
Overall AMD has quoted a +15% core performance improvement with Zen 2 over Zen+. With the core changes, at a high level, that certainly looks feasible. Users focused on performance will love the new 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X, while the processor seems nice an efficient at 105W, so it will be interesting so see what happens at lower power. We're also anticipating a very strong Rome launch here over the next few months, especially with features like double FP performance and QoS, and the raw multithreading performance of 64 cores is going to be an interesting disruptor to the market, especially if priced effectively. We’ll be getting the hardware on hand here soon to present our findings when the processors are launched on July 7th.
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Gastec - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
I'm 95% convinced that your micro-stuttering is caused by the GPU/drivers. Disable SLI or Crossfire if that's what you have (you never said what video card you use). And please stop trolling.wurizen - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Really? After all that I said about this... you think that you're 95% sure it's caused by GPU drivers and you want me to disable SLI or Crossfire? Really?Qasar - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
have you even mentioned which vid card you are using, or what version the drivers are, or if they are up to date ??Gastec - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
It could also be related to G-sync/FreeSync and your monitor. When debugging the best way is to reduce everything to a minimum.wurizen - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Really, dude? You think it's related to Gsyng and Freesync?Qasar - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
it very well could be.. a little while ago.. there was a whole issue with micro stuttering and the fix.. was in new drivers after a certain revision...wurizen - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
This is gonna be my last comment regarding my comment about Infinity Fabric High memory latency issue... an objective response would be "It could;" or, "it's quit possible;" or, "110 nanoseconds latency via cross-ccx-memory-performance is nothing to sneeze at or disregard or a non-issue;"instead, i get the replies above; which doesn't need to be repeated since one can just read them. but, just in case, the replies basically say I am trolling such as the most recent from user Gastec; and someone prior I jumped to my conclusion of pointing my scrawny little finger at Infinity Fabric high memory latency; someone plain said I didn't know what I was talking about; etc!
So, I just wanna say that as my one last piece. It's odd no one has aired to the caution of objectivity and just plain responded with "It's possible..."
Instead, we get the usual techligious/fanboyish responses.
Qasar - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
it doesnt help, you also havent cited any links or other proof of this other then your own posts... and i quote " And, there are people having head-scratching issues similar to me with Ryzen CPU. " oh.. and where are these other people ?? where are the links and URLs that show this ??? lastly.. IF you have a spare hdd ( ssd or mechanical ) that isnt in use that you could install windows on to, so you wont have to touch the current one you are using, try installing windows on to that, update windows as much as you can via windows update, update all drivers, and do the same things you are doing to get this issue.. and see if you still get it.. if you do.. then it isnt your current install of windows, and it is something else.Carmen00 - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Qasar, Gastec et al, I appreciate that you're trying to educate wurizen but when you get responses like "bruh!" and "Really?", I think it's time to call it quits. Like HStewart, feeding wurizen will just encourage him and that makes it difficult to go through the comments and see the important ones. Trust that the majority of Anandtech's readership is indeed savvy enough to know pseudo-technical BS when we encounter it!Qasar - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
well.. the fact that he didnt cite any one else with this problem, or links to forums/web pages.. kind of showed he was just trolling.. but i figured... was worth a shot to give him some sort of help....