So the IGP and non-IGP variants of the same processor have the same number of cores, same number of threads, same base frequency, same turbo frequency, same L3 cache, and same TDP. The "F" is the same exact chip, but missing IGP. Why are they the same MSRP? What is the market for paying the same price for something almost the same but missing one feature?
I wondered the same thing, as well as why it has the same TDP. Removing or disabling IGP should reduce power or move that power to increasing some other performance facet...shouldn't it?
See the die-dumping comment below, but also it might be that the CPU can use higher turbo bins because it doesn't have to consider the power usage of the GPU. Not sure that is true, though.
The market is that Intel can't supply enough product due to the ongoing 14nm/10nm World's Slowest Trainwreck, so they've resorted to selling dies that previously would've been dumped. That they sell said faulty dies at the same price as working ones is a shit in the face of consumers, but honestly... if you're dumb enough to buy an Intel CPU over Ryzen at this point in time, you deserve to get fucked over.
Nowhere in the article does it tell us whether any of these new cores are immune to the Spectre problem that surfaced more than a year ago. Does anyone know the answer to this question?
Well. This author wrote about Thermal Velocity Boost in the past, and a simple Google brings up a wealth of information and reporting about this from a ridiculous number of sources. Apparently he has forgotten this.
Also, the i7-9700K has been in the market forever, and this very site has reviewed it. Unsurprisingly, other tech sites reported the chip as an i7 correctly, which means they were obviously able to spot the error on a processor that has been at retail for six months. Perhaps emailing the company and exercising the most basic of journalistic skills is in order here.
I'm not sure that these are mistakes. They feel like attempts to get attention/traffic.
Can someone explain to me what the point of the F-series is? They don't appear to clock better and they are being priced the same as their non-F counterparts with IGPs. Is this a security thing or is it being targeted at OEM system builders? Just don't see why someone would give up the option of an IGP for no cost savings.
K = Overclockable KF = Overclockable with No Integrated Graphics No Suffix = Standard CPU, 54-65W TDP, Integrated Graphics F = No Integrated Graphics T = Low Power, 35W TDP
I get that, but why does the F-series even exist if they are pricing it the same as the equivalent chip with an IGP? I would even understand having an F-series chip if they were $20 to $30 less than the non F-series chips but spending the same price for a part missing features seems limiting.
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GreenMeters - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link
So the IGP and non-IGP variants of the same processor have the same number of cores, same number of threads, same base frequency, same turbo frequency, same L3 cache, and same TDP. The "F" is the same exact chip, but missing IGP. Why are they the same MSRP? What is the market for paying the same price for something almost the same but missing one feature?catavalon21 - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link
I wondered the same thing, as well as why it has the same TDP. Removing or disabling IGP should reduce power or move that power to increasing some other performance facet...shouldn't it?GreenReaper - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
See the die-dumping comment below, but also it might be that the CPU can use higher turbo bins because it doesn't have to consider the power usage of the GPU. Not sure that is true, though.The_Assimilator - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
The market is that Intel can't supply enough product due to the ongoing 14nm/10nm World's Slowest Trainwreck, so they've resorted to selling dies that previously would've been dumped. That they sell said faulty dies at the same price as working ones is a shit in the face of consumers, but honestly... if you're dumb enough to buy an Intel CPU over Ryzen at this point in time, you deserve to get fucked over.garycahn - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link
Nowhere in the article does it tell us whether any of these new cores are immune to the Spectre problem that surfaced more than a year ago. Does anyone know the answer to this question?isthisavailable - Thursday, May 16, 2019 - link
Would like to know as well.HeyYou,It'sMe - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link
Well. This author wrote about Thermal Velocity Boost in the past, and a simple Google brings up a wealth of information and reporting about this from a ridiculous number of sources. Apparently he has forgotten this.Also, the i7-9700K has been in the market forever, and this very site has reviewed it. Unsurprisingly, other tech sites reported the chip as an i7 correctly, which means they were obviously able to spot the error on a processor that has been at retail for six months. Perhaps emailing the company and exercising the most basic of journalistic skills is in order here.
I'm not sure that these are mistakes. They feel like attempts to get attention/traffic.
WMGroomIV - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link
Can someone explain to me what the point of the F-series is? They don't appear to clock better and they are being priced the same as their non-F counterparts with IGPs. Is this a security thing or is it being targeted at OEM system builders? Just don't see why someone would give up the option of an IGP for no cost savings.Korguz - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link
from the article almost right at the top :K = Overclockable
KF = Overclockable with No Integrated Graphics
No Suffix = Standard CPU, 54-65W TDP, Integrated Graphics
F = No Integrated Graphics
T = Low Power, 35W TDP
WMGroomIV - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
I get that, but why does the F-series even exist if they are pricing it the same as the equivalent chip with an IGP? I would even understand having an F-series chip if they were $20 to $30 less than the non F-series chips but spending the same price for a part missing features seems limiting.