GPU Performance & Device Thermals

GPU performance of the Note9 shouldn’t be much of a surprise by now as we’ve covered the Snapdragon 845 and Exynos 9810 extensively in this regard. Yet, the Note9 does differ significantly in this regard because Samsung claims to have included a new massive heat-pipe and heat spreader, theoretically much improving the thermal dissipation from the SoC to the body of the phone.

I’m actually starting off this article with a test of the device’s thermals, because I found some quite weird results here that I feel are quite inexplicable in their behaviour, and something that I found to happen in quite a lot of the Snapdragon 845 devices in 2018.

I’m using the on-screen Manhattan 3.1 test in 1440p on-screen mode in a continuous loop for an hour. Besides both Note9’s, I’m also including the S9+ in order to see just how much of an effect the Note9’s new heat-pipe is able to help with performance and thermals.

Performance wise, the results are very surprising. The Snapdragon Note9 for the better part of the first 20 minutes seems to actually perform slightly worse than the S9+. Both phones look to be throttling at virtually the same identical point, which I also found to be quite weird. It’s only much later in the test, after the 35 minute mark, where the Note9 starts to fluctuate more in terms of performance, recovering to a higher GPU frequency for a few minutes before falling back to the minimum performance and continuing so forth ad infinitum.

The Exynos Note9 as expected, performs worse than the Snapdragon unit, but this shouldn’t be much of a surprise.

Actually examining the temperature reported by the phones we again see some very weird behaviour. The temperature here is as reported by an internal sensor on the phones. I don’t usually like showcasing these results because the sensors will vary between devices and vendors. This case is an exception because the sensor between the two Note9’s should be identical (battery PMIC IC), as well as very comparable to the S9+. The actual maximum skin temperature as measured by an IR thermometer are higher than the values shown here.

The one thing that again feels utterly unexplainable to me is the fact that there’s a notable change in throttling behaviour after the 20 minute mark, all seemingly unrelated to the actual temperature of the phones. The Snapdragon Note9 does report much better maximum temperatures over the S9+. The Exynos Note9 here also achieves even better temperatures, and this pretty much falls in line with the fact that the Exynos 9810’s peak power consumption in GPU workloads is actually lower than the Snapdragon 845’s.

Now this 20 minute mark in the temperatures is something that I’ve encountered more often this year across devices, yet I haven’t actually found any good evidence as to explain it. The Snapdragon Note9 showcases that it has intermediate throttling levels later on in its runtime, what puzzles me is as to why the device doesn’t set this medium frequency level earlier in the runtime when reaching the same throttling temperature?

The Snapdragon 845’s behaviour here is very weird: In our initial review of the Galaxy S9+ I mentioned that the phone entered an overheating state killing the benchmark, reaching high skin temperatures of up to 58°C. In subsequent firmware updates over the summer I wasn't able to reproduce this anymore. I actually found the same issue in the Xiaomi Mi MIX2S which was also quickly resolved with a firmware update. This lets me believe that Qualcomm actually has some sort of time-, rather than a temperature-based boost/throttle mode in the drivers of the chip. I’m very perplexed by this as I can’t discern if this is a legitimate mechanism or not.

The benchmarks

The thermal considerations being mentioned, we continue on with our standard set of benchmarks.

3DMark Sling Shot 3.1 Extreme Unlimited - Physics

In the 3DMark Physics test, the Note 9 fares extremely well in terms of the sustained performance scores. Here we see quite a jump over the results of the S9+, and at the same time this makes the Snapdragon Note9 the best S845 device in this particular benchmark.

The Exynos Note9 also showcases much improved sustained performance scores much higher than that of the S9.

3DMark Sling Shot 3.1 Extreme Unlimited - Graphics

The 3DMark graphics results have me a bit perplexed. The Snapdragon Note9’s sustained performance scores are good- really good- too good.

We showcased that the devices do throttle after certain amount of time, yet in 3DMark I wasn’t able to actually enter this sustained state in any way on the Note9’s, even after prolonged heating. I don’t have a way to loop 3DMark in the same way I loop GFXBench, and I have to wonder if this plays a role here. The Snapdragon Note9 was allowed to get really hot here, reaching 48°C+ skin temperatures near the SoC.

I’m using obfuscated applications IDs to avoid benchmark detection – still I have some reservations about these scores on whether they’re results of genuine thermal mechanisms or something else.

GFXBench Aztec Ruins - High - Vulkan/Metal - Off-screen 

GFXBench Aztec Ruins - Normal - Vulkan/Metal - Off-screen

Moving on to GFXBench, we’re seeing some more reasonable sustained performance results in the “High” benchmark mode. Again I have a hard time explaining why the Normal mode scores that much better for the Snapdragon Note9, here it’s maybe a side-effect of the higher ALU utilisation in the high mode which also causes higher power consumption in the Adreno 630.

GFXBench Manhattan 3.1 Off-screen

In Manhattan, we see a similar result as in the Normal Aztec run, with the Snapdragon 845 Note9 maintaining excellent sustained perf.

GFXBench T-Rex 2.7 Off-screen

Switching over to T-Rex, things again are more in line with previous Snapdragon 845 results. The Exynos Note9 also is behaving very similar to the S9.

I’ve ran these tests several times now and again noticed there some unexplained variability in the results that aren’t explained by the actual temperature of the phones. Under thermal stress, the Snapdragon Note9 sometimes performs excellently even at high sustained temperatures of the device, and sometimes it logically throttles as you would expect it to. It’s something I’ll have to dig in a bit more into.

In any case, the verdict here is that the Snapdragon Note9 performs excellently in terms of sustained performance. The Exynos Note9’s sustained performance in GFXBench was a lot more alike the S9 – both devices allowing for much lesser peak temperatures than the Snapdragon counterparts, but again both also showcasing significantly worse performance due to the weaker GPUs.

System Performance Conclusion - More of the same
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  • cha0z_ - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link

    Actually for us the phone costs more. Euro is higher than the US $ + they also add atleast 100 on top of the us price. It's 1100 euro (1240$) vs 1000$. :) Reply
  • vivekvs1992 - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link

    Obvious question.. Why is note 8 not on any of the charts?? I'd be more interested in comparing note 8 rather than lg g6.. Reply
  • B3an - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link

    The Exynos 9810 is such a massive flop.

    I had to buy an import in order to get a SD845 version of my S9+. Hope Samsung fix future Exynos SoCs, because the gap in performance and battery life is just ridiculous and not acceptable. Infact Exynos 9810 isn't even acceptable for a high-end device.
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  • wintermute000 - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link

    Can't argue with the numbers, however, anecdotally, my exy S9+ feels plenty fast with decent battery. I haven't heard anyone who doesn't haunt XDA etc. actually complain about exy, even techies. So I can only imagine that the SD845 version is even better as a phone LOL Reply
  • cha0z_ - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link

    People don't get to hold the both variants to see the difference. Everyone who did and mind you - coming prepared for a difference into it - said that he is surprised how big it is and kept the SD variant. Reply
  • LiverpoolFC5903 - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link

    Some of these results for the Exynos look very dodgy, including one subtest where the 3 year old Snapdragon 820 scores higher. I wonder how accurate or representative these PC mark tests are, because that is all that the author has used to trash the Exynos 9810. Other tests/suites need to be run to validate these results. I am finding it hard to believe that an SOC with 'fat' cores will lag behind last years SOCs in many tests. Reply
  • GreenReaper - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link

    It's absolutely possible. Consider the current state of AMD graphics vs. NVIDIA - Vega doesn't really compete with the 1080, let alone the 2080. Then add in the fact that in mobile, inefficiency counts double, sinceit both drains the battery and causes thermals to spike; throttling that 'fat' CPU. Reply
  • tuxRoller - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link

    The author used other tests for graphics and threw in a few js benchmarks.
    I also think that others have responded about why having "fat cores" doesn't automatically mean better perf. Briefly,
    unless your data set is tiny, you have to make sure that stalls happen as infrequently and briefly as possible. This requires a very well executed cache, a smart memory controller, and software that is well aware of how best to make use of it all.
    There's more detail in the earlier articles about the issues with the 9810.
    Reply
  • s.yu - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link

    Thanks for another fun article!
    This would provide guidance for buying to more people if released earlier in the product cycle though :)
    Reply
  • AceMcLoud - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link

    Happy to see my iPhone 6s still holding up to 2018 Android "flagships". Reply

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