Conclusions

In this mini-test, we compared AMD’s Game Mode as originally envisioned by AMD. Game Mode sits as an extra option in the AMD Ryzen Master software, compared to Creator Mode which is enabled by default. Game Mode does two things: firstly, it adjusts the memory configuration. Rather than seeing the DRAM as one uniform block of memory with an ‘average’ latency, the system splits the memory into near memory closest to the active CPU, and far memory for DRAM connected via the other silicon die. The second thing that Game Mode does is disable the cores on one of the silicon dies, but retains the PCIe lanes, IO, and DRAM support. This disables cross-die thread migration, offers faster memory for applications that need it, and aims to lower the latency of the cores used for gaming by simplifying the layout. The downside of Game Mode is raw performance when peak CPU is needed: by disabling half the cores, any throughput limited task is going to be cut by losing half of the throughput resources. The argument here is that Game mode is designed for games, which rarely use above 8 cores, while optimizing the memory latency and PCIe connectivity.

A simpler way to imagine Game Mode is this: enabling Game Mode brings the top tier Threadripper 1950X down to the level of a Ryzen 7 processor for core count at around the same frequency, but still gets the benefits of quad channel memory and all 60 PCIe lanes for add-in cards. In this mode, the CPU will preferentially use the lower latency memory available first, attempting to ensure a better immediate experience. You end up with an uber-Ryzen 7 for connectivity.


AMD states that a Threadripper in Game Mode will have lower latency than a Ryzen 7, as well as a higher boost and larger boost window (up to 4 cores rather than 2)

In our testing, we did the full gamut of CPU and CPU Gaming tests, at 1080p and 4K with Game Mode enabled.

On the CPU results, they were perhaps to be expected: single threaded tests with Game Mode enabled performed similar to Ryzen 7 and the 1950X, but multithreaded tests were almost halved to the 1950X, and slightly slower than the Ryzen 7 1800X due to the lower all-core turbo.

The CPU gaming tests were instead a mixed bunch. Any performance difference from Game Mode over Creator Mode was highly dependant on the game, on the graphics card, and on the resolution. Overall, the results could be placed into buckets:

  • Noted minor losses in Civilization 6, Ashes of the Singularity and Shadow of Mordor
  • Minor loss to minor gain on GTX 1080 and GTX 1060 overall in all games
  • Minor gain for AMD cards on Average Frame Rates, particularly RoTR and GTA
  • Sizeable (10-25%) gain for AMD cards on 99th Percentile Frame Rates, particularly RoTR and GTA
  • Gains are more noticable for 1080p gaming than 4K gaming
  • Most gains across the board are on 99th Percentile data

Which leads to the following conclusions

  • No real benefit on GTX 1080 or GTX 1060, stay in Creator Mode
  • Benefits for Rise of the Tomb Raider, Rocket League and GTA
  • Benefit more at 1080p, but still gains at 4K

The pros and cons of enabling Game Mode are meant to be along the lines of faster and lower latency gaming, at the expense of raw compute power. The fact that it requires a reboot to switch between Creator Mode and Game Mode is a main detractor - if it were a simple in-OS switch, then it could be enabled for specific titles on specific graphics cards just before the game is launched. This will not ever be possible, due to how PCs decide what resources are available when. That being said however, perhaps AMD has missed a trick here.

Could AMD have Implemented Game Mode Differently?

By virtue of misinterpreting AMD's slide deck, and testing a bunch of data with SMT disabled instead, we have an interesting avenue as to how users might do something akin to Game Mode but not specifically AMD's game mode. This also leads to the question if AMD implemented and labeled the Game Mode environment in the right way.

By enabling NUMA and disabling SMT, the 16C/32T chip moves down to 16C/16T. It still has 16 full cores, but has to deal with communication across the two eight-core silicon dies. Nonetheless it still satisfies the need for cores to access the lowest latency memory near to that specific core, as well as enabling certain games that need fewer total threads to actually work. It should, by the description alone, enable the 'legacy' part of legacy gaming.

The underlying performance analysis between the two modes becomes this:

When in 16C/16T mode, performance in CPU benchmarks was higher than in 8C/16T mode.
When in 16C/16T mode, performance in CPU gaming benchmarks was higher than in 8C/16T mode. 

Some of the suggestions from comparing AMD's defined 8C/16T Game Mode for CPU gaming actually change when in 16C/16T mode: games that saw slight regressions with 8 cores became neutral at 16C or even had slight improvements, particularly at 1080p.

One of the main detractors to the 8C/16T mode is that it requires a full restart in order to enable it. Disabling SMT could theoretically be done at the OS level before certain games come in to play. If the OS is able to determine which core IDs are associated to standard threads and which ones would be hyperthreads, it is perhaps possible for the OS just to refuse to dispatch threads in flight to the hyperthreads, allowing only one thread per core. (There's a small matter of statically shared resources to deal with as well.) The mobile world deals with thread migration between fast cores and slow cores every day, and some cores can be hotplug disabled on the fly. One could postulate that Windows could do something similar with the equivalent of hyperthreads.

Would this issue need to be solved by Windows, or by AMD? I suspect a combination of both, really. 

Update:

Robert Hallock on AMD's Threadripper webcast has stated that Windows Scheduler is not capable of specifically zeroing out a full die to have the same effect. The UMA/NUMA implementation can be managed with Windows Scheduler to assign threads to where the data is (or assign data to where the threads are), but as far as fully disabling a die in the OS requires a restart.

 

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  • peevee - Friday, August 18, 2017 - link

    Of course. Work CPUs must be tested at work. Kiddies are fine with i3s. Reply
  • Ian Cutress - Sunday, August 20, 2017 - link

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  • IGTrading - Thursday, August 17, 2017 - link

    It would be nice and very useful to post some power consumption results at the platform level, if we're doing "extra" additional testing.

    It is very important since we're paying for the motherboard just as much as we pay for a Ryzen 5 or even Ryzen 7 processor.

    And it will correctly compare the TCO of the X399 platform with the TCO of X299.
    Reply
  • jordanclock - Thursday, August 17, 2017 - link

    So it looks like AMD should have gone with just disabling SMT for Game Mode. There are way more benefits and it is easier to understand the implications. I haven't seen similar comparisons for Intel in a while, perhaps that can be exploration for Skylake-X as well? Reply
  • HStewart - Thursday, August 17, 2017 - link

    I would think disable SMT would be better, but the reason maybe in designed of link between the two 8 Core dies on chip. Reply
  • GruenSein - Thursday, August 17, 2017 - link

    I'd really love to see a frame time probability distribution (Frame time on x-axis, rate of occurrence on y-axis). Especially in cases with very unlikely frames below a 60Hz rate, the difference between TR and TR-GM/1800X seem most apparent. Without the distribution, we will never know if we are seeing the same distribution but slightly shifted towards lower frame rates as the slopes of the distribution might be steep. However, those frames with frame times above a 60Hz rate might be real stutters down to a 30Hz rate but they might just as well be frames at a 59,7Hz rate. I realize why this threshold was selected but every threshold is quite arbitrary. Reply
  • MrSpadge - Thursday, August 17, 2017 - link

    Does AMD comment on the update? What's their reason for choosing 8C/16T over 16C/16T?

    > One could postulate that Windows could do something similar with the equivalent of hyperthreads.

    They're actually already doing that. Loading 50% of all threads on an SMT machine will result in ~50% average load on every logical core, i.e. all physical cores are only working on 1 thread at a time.

    I know mathematically other schedulings are possible, leading to the same result - but by now I think it's common knowledge that the default Win scheduler works like that. Hence most lightly threaded software is indifferent to SMT. Except games.
    Reply
  • NetMage - Sunday, August 20, 2017 - link

    Then why did SMT mode show differences from Creator mode in the original review? Reply
  • Dribble - Thursday, August 17, 2017 - link

    No one is ever going to run game mode - why buy a really expensive chip and then disable half of it, especially as you have to reboot to do it? It's only use is to make threadripper look slightly better in reviews. Imo it would be more honest as a reviewer to just run it in creator mode all the time. Reply
  • jordanclock - Thursday, August 17, 2017 - link

    The point is compatibility, as mentioned in the article multiple times. AMD is offering this as an option for applications (mainly games) that do not run correctly, if at all, on >16 core CPUs. Reply

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