Competing Against Itself: 3.9 GHz Ice Lake-U on 10nm vs 4.9 GHz Comet Lake-U on 14nm

At the same time that Intel is releasing Ice Lake, we have confirmed from multiple sources that the company intends to release another generation of mobile products based on 14nm as well. This line of hardware, also called Intel 10th Gen Core, will be under the internal codename ‘Comet Lake’, and go after a similar power distribution to what Ice Lake will. There are a few differences in the design worth noting, and a big one that Intel will have a hard time organizing its marketing materials for.

The differences between Ice Lake-U and Comet Lake-U are set to be quite confusing. Leaks from various OEMs about upcoming products give us the following:

Ice Lake: The Core i7-1065G7

Ice Lake-U hardware, based on 10nm, will be given a ‘G’ in the product name, such as i7-1065G7. This breaks down such that

  • i7 = Core i7
  • 1065 = from the 10th Gen Core
  • 1065 = position ‘65’ relative to the rest of the other Ice lake processors,
  • G7 = ‘Graphics Level 7’, which we believe to be the highest.

Intel has stated that the Ice Lake-U hardware will come in at 9W, 15W, and 28W, as described in the previous pages, offering a highest turbo clock of 4.1 GHz, 64 EUs of Gen11 graphics, suitable for up to 1.1 TF of FP64 calculations. We suspect that the 4.1 GHz turbo frequency will be given to the 28W model following previous Intel launches, which means that the 15W part is likely to turbo to a few hundred MHz lower. Based on the Ice Lake plans we know, it seems that Intel is only targeting up to quad-core designs, but Ice Lake does support LPDDR4. Due to using the 10nm process, and with additional power refinements, Ice Lake hardware is expected to have longer a battery life compared to Comet Lake, although we will see this in product reviews through the year.

Comet Lake: The Core i7-10510U

Contrast this to Comet Lake-U, which is another round of processors based on 14nm. OEMs have given some light onto these processors, which should offer up to six cores. The naming of the processors follows on from the 8th Gen and 9th Gen parts, but is now under 10th Gen. This means that the Core i7-10510U breaks down as:

  • i7 = Core i7
  • 10510 = from the 10th Gen Core family,
  • 10510 =  position ‘51’ relative to the rest of Comet Lake
  • U = U-series processor, 15-28W

OEM listings have shown Comet Lake-U to turbo up to 4.9 GHz on the best quad-core processor, while we have seen 9th gen hardware hit 5.0 GHz in the larger H-series designs.

For a full side-by-side comparison:

Ice Lake-U vs Comet Lake-U
Ice Lake-U* AnandTech Comet Lake-U*
10+ Lithography '14nm class'
i7-1065G7 Example CPU Name i7-10510U
9W
15W
28W
TDP Options 15W
28W?
Same as 9th Gen?
Up to 4C Core Counts Up to 6C (expected)
Sunny Cove CPU Core Skylake+++
Up to 64 EUs
Gen11
GPU GT2 Core Up to 24 EUs
Gen9.5
3.9G (15W)
4.1G (28W)
Highest Turbo 4.9G? (15W)
5.0G+ ?
DDR4-3200
LPDDR4-3733
DDR DDR4-2667
LPDDR3-2133
AVX-512 AVX AVX2
*All details are not yet confirmed by Intel, but shown on partner websites/trusted sources

Should Intel go ahead with the naming scheme, it is going to offer a cluster of mixed messages, even to end-users that understand the naming scheme. For those that don’t, there might not be an obvious way to tell a 10th Gen Ice Lake system and a 10th Gen Comet Lake system part from just reading the specification sheet, especially if the vendor lists it just as ‘10th Gen Core i7’.

Intel is trying to mitigate some of this with Project Athena, which is a specification for premium 10th Gen designs. In order to meet Athena specifications, you technically don’t need to have an Ice Lake processor, but it definitely does help with the graphics and battery life targets. We’re unsure at this point if Intel will add in distinct labeling to Athena approved devices or not, but this might be one way to discern between the two. The other is to look for the letter: G means Ice Lake, U means Comet Lake.

So the question is about what matters most to users?

If you want raw CPU frequency and cores, then Comet Lake still has benefits there, even if we add on Intel’s expected ‘+18%’ IPC claims. It would all come down to how the turbo plays out in each device, and Intel states that it is working closer than ever before with its OEM partners to optimize for performance.

Ice Lake systems on the other hand are going to offer better graphics, are initially all likely to be under the Project Athena heading, and provide good connectivity (Wi-Fi 6), good displays, and really nice battery life for the class of device. Ice Lake is going to play more in the premium space too, at least initially, which might indicate that Comet Lake could be angled down the price bracket.

To be honest, we should have been expecting this. When Dr. Murthy Renduchintala joined Intel a couple of years ago, he was quoted as saying that he wants to disaggregate the ‘generation’ from the lithography, and offer a range of products within each generation. The fruits of that campaign started with the last round of mobile platforms, and the fruits of that endeavor will ripen through the Ice Lake/Comet Lake kerfuffle*. It’s going to be agonizing to tell users the difference, and even more so if OEMs do not list exact CPU specifications in their online listings. Intel has been so forthright with two distinct brands, the ‘X’ Gen Core and the Core ‘i7/i5/i3’ naming, that now both are ultimately meaningless to differentiate between two different types of products.

What should be the solution here? On initial thoughts, I would have pushed Ice Lake as an 11th Gen Core. It’s a new and exciting product, with a updated microarchitecture, better graphics, and leading edge lithography, along with Project Athena, it needs to be categorically separated from any other processors it might be competing with. It’s either that, or come up with an alternative naming scheme for it all. At this point, Intel is heading to a sticky mess, where it’s competing against itself and the casual user who hasn’t done meticulous research might not end up with the optimum product.

*To be clear, in the past, Intel used to separate product line microarchitecture based on the nth Gen Core designation. This does not happen anymore – a single ‘nth Gen Core’ brand might have 3+ different microarchitectures depending on what product you are looking at. It is ultimately confusing for any end-customers that have a passing knowledge of Intel’s product lines, and highly annoying to anyone with technical prowess discussing Intel’s products. I hate it. I understand it, but I hate it.

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  • eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - link

    Thanks Ian! One initial observation: that slide or picture from Dell showing processor options for their 2in1 has the i7 with 4 MB of cache; my guess is Dell needs a proofreader in their marketing department (: Reply
  • Ian Cutress - Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - link

    It's likely those cache numbers are the other way round, i.e. quad core i7 with 8MB, dual core i3 with 4MB. That would align with what we would expect. Reply
  • eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - link

    Agree. Looks a lot like somebody at Dell didn't check after cut-and-paste. Has Dell announced expected shipping date? As a launch partner, they're likely be among the first who ship finished product. Reply
  • Ian Cutress - Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - link

    Not yet, as far as I know. Reply
  • close - Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - link

    Now we know the cause of Intel's manufacturing hell. Ian's been biting their wafers... :) Reply
  • tipoo - Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - link

    iirc Dell said NDA was lifting August 1st on the ICL XPS 13 Reply
  • FloconDeNeige - Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - link

    Page 2, the table about In-Flight Stores and Loads: The values are switched around, or else the paragraph after is wrong.
    Otherwise looks like a great article. Still reading :)
    Reply
  • FloconDeNeige - Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - link

    Page 3 sorry Reply
  • DanNeely - Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - link

    I'm a bit surprised to see pen support on the Athena requirement list. Everything else seems reasonable as an evolution of mainstream designs; but pens have always been very niche something I don't see changing. Even if pen support is baked into Intels <1W LCDs; including a pen's going to drive up system costs. And if loose is just going to end up lost; if a pen holster is required that's a decent amount of internal volume in increasing thin and dense designs. Reply
  • notashill - Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - link

    There are already tons of laptops with pen support but no included pen or internal holster. Reply

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