Overclocking on the Llano platform, by any stretch of the imagination by using this A75 Extreme6, would take ages to get a hold of and become a master.  There are three main areas to overclock - the CPU, the iGPU, and the memory.  But the Llano chip design is such that the CPU will only ever have a maximum TDP.  If you increase the CPU and fix it at a new higher value, the maximum GPU will decrease to level the change out.   Thus, if you're on a GPU limited situation (such as a modern game), then your overall frame rate will decrease.  To put it another way, here's a few slides from AMD:

Slide 1: Firstly, on turbo capable APUs, when the GPU is idle the CPU can boost itself until the max level of TDP is reached.  This is fairly straight forward.

 

Slide 2: In GPU heavy cases, the GPU power budget grows and the CPU decreases in response.  This could cause several problems - if the GPU wants more power but the CPU is the bottleneck, there's not much you can do.  Or of the GPU power is fixed at a high level, the CPU cannot respond by increasing its own power to increase throughput.

 

Slide 3: With a mild GPU usage, the CPU/GPU power sharing is levelled out, hopefully in the right order.

 

Slide 4: Now, here's where it gets tricky - a situation demands CPU and GPU power, but moreso GPU - it gets all the priority but the system understands that the CPU needs some too.  So the system will reduce the CPU based on both temperature and total TDP.

In the terms of an overclocked system, either the CPU or GPU power requirements will no longer become mobile, effectively limiting the growth of the other - the net result is that if you have an overclocked CPU, your GPU will suffer, and vice versa.

Despite this, I gave the ASRock board a shot of adrenaline and went on a settings test.  Sticking strictly to the BIOS, we can either overclock in 'Manual Mode', 'CPU OC Mode' or 'DRAM OC Mode'.

CPU OC Mode

The options are fairly straight forward for the automatic CPU OC options - from 3200 MHz to 3600 MHz in 100 MHz increments. 

  • At 3200 MHz, the system applies a 111 MHz bus speed, 1.4125 V on the CPU voltage, and 1.150 V on the GFX. 
  • At 3500 MHz, the system applies a 120 MHz bus speed, 1.4500 V on the CPU voltage, and 1.225 V on the GFX.  In reality, 29x120 is ~3480 MHz, and this setting gave a load voltage of 1.512V (from the AXTU software).
  • At 3600 MHz, rather than just raising the bus speed, the system drops the multiplier to 26x and applies a 138 MHz bus, with 1.4875 CPU voltage and 1.250V on the GFX.  Unfortunately, this failed to boot at all.

At the 3500 MHz setting, we got these values on the benchmarks:

3D Movement, Single Thread: 88.42 (+18%)
3D Movement, Multithread: 297.29 (+18%)
Metro2033: 24.5 FPS (-18%)
OCCT maximum temperature: 51ºC

Thus confirming we get a lower gaming result at a higher CPU speed.

DRAM OC Mode

Due to the memory compatibility issues I mentioned earlier, I pulled out a pair of 4GB Patriot Memory sticks for these tests, from their Viper Xtreme range, rated at DDR3-2133 9-11-9.

In the BIOS, I had an option for DDR3-2000, DDR3-2200 and DDR3-2500. The following resulted from each of these selections:

  • At DDR3-2000, a 107 MHz bus speed was applied (29x 107 = 3132 MHz on CPU), with 9-13-13 latencies.
  • At DDR3-2200, a 118 MHz bus speed was applied (29x 118 = 3418 Mhz on CPU), also with 9-13-13 latencies.  This setting passed all the tests.
  • At DDR3-2000, a 134 MHz bus speed was applied, at the 26x multiplier (26x 134 = 3482 Mhz, suggesting that 3.5 MHz is a 'ceiling' in this case), also at 9-13-13 latencies.  This setting failed Metro2033.

At the DDR3-2200 setting, we got these values on the benchmarks:

3D Movement, Single Thread: 87.42 (+17%, from CPU OC)
3D Movement, Multithread: 297.29 (+12%, from CPU OC)
Metro2033: 37.6 FPS (+26%)

So despite the CPU OC setting at 3500 MHz decreasing the Metro result by 18%, increasing the RAM to match gives an overall increase of 26% in frame rates.  This is highly indicative of what we see in the land of discrete GPUs - they are very, very hungry for memory bandwidth.  On a discrete GPU, we see bandwidths in the hundreds of GB/s between the processing units and the memory.  We don't see those values between RAM and a CPU, so increasing that bandwidth to feed the GPU makes a significant jump in performance.  Anand should have more about this in his article.

Dynamic Overclocking

This ASRock board also has another feature - Dynamic overclocking.  The CPU will apply an overclock only when the computer is in use, and revert back to the set BIOS clocks when idle (keep in mind that AMD normally scales between idle and full via multipliers; the HT bus speed never changes).  This feature on the ASRock board gives options from 4% to 20%, but can also be combined with an APU frequency overclock above 100 MHz.

I tried this feature in two scenarios - a 100 MHz bus with a 20% dynamic setting, and 110 MHz with a 4% dynamic setting.  Both of these worked, giving me 120 MHz and 114 MHz respectively.

GFX Overclocking

The BIOS gives a option to increase the GFX core speed as well, from 654 MHz to 1800 Mhz in oddly sized jumps.  I left the voltage at auto, and increased this value from 800 MHz to 1440 MHz, testing Metro 2033 each time.  Unfortunately, I didn't see any improvement over stock.  I don't know why this is, and as AXTU or any other GPU utility cannot currently report the actual clock rate of the iGPU for now, I'm not sure what is going on.

Manual Overclocking

Time for some real fun.  Given what had gone previously with the auto overclocking, I went straight in at 1.5 V on the CPU, and a 120 MHz overclock.  This worked fine, so I steadily increased the frequency until the system was not stable after multi-threaded benchmarks and runs of Metro2033.  At this voltage, 130 MHz was a good ceiling to reach (29x 130 = 3770 MHz).

 

BIOS and Software Test Setup, Power Consumption and Temperatures
Comments Locked

44 Comments

View All Comments

  • Exodite - Thursday, June 30, 2011 - link

    I'd agree that no common task /requires/ an i3 2100, or a Llano equivalent, but between the two of them the former is the better option for such.

    Most significantly Llano /doesn't/ have a much better graphics solution. Sure, it's better but still not good enough to do native resolution gaming and low/mid settings - which is the bare minimum for gaming at this day and age.

    For anything else, speaking about the GPU-side of things, anything will suffice. Certainly both Llano and Intel's HD2000/HD3000 solutions.

    Perhaps I were overly enthusiastic about Llano's GPU prowess, I didn't expect it to be quite as memory-starved as it was, but I always envisoned it being a lot closer to what a discrete solution with the same clocks and core count would offer.

    As it is I'd recommend an Intel solution to anyone at this point, with or without a discrete card as required.

    You may chose to scream bloody murder about it if you want to, it's no skin of my back, but the numbers do speak for themselves.
  • mino - Thursday, June 30, 2011 - link

    "I'd agree that no common task /requires/ an i3 2100, or a Llano equivalent, but between the two of them the former is the better option for such."

    Yeah, between the two i3 is a better option for uncommon single-threaded tasks.

    Now, what have those to do with the low-end desktop market?
  • L. - Thursday, June 30, 2011 - link

    Bloody Murder !

    No shit ... "doesn' t have a much better graphics solution" ...
    Seriously read a few other reviews and you'll understand there is a world of difference between 11 fps and 30, dx11 and no dx11, etc.

    There are MANY games which lie on the fringe of "playable" with a Llano which are clearly unplayable on an i3.

    The fact that this review is not showing is that with all those, the difference is between play and no play, and everytime the Llano is far ahead.

    I linked a review in the comments of the OC article here on AT and it shows things ... like 11 fps crysis gamer settings @ 1920x1080.

    While 11fps is not playable, 11fps in crysis w/ those settings and that resolution implies almost everything is playable with some stuff tuned down.

    THIS IS NOT THE CASE with an i3.

    The difference might be hidden w/ these benchmarks but it's there and so big it cannot justify the pricing of the i3 2105.

    Llano is good enough to do native resolution gaming @ low / mid settings, even if you consider native to be full HD, there are many many many games that are playable on it this way.

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a...

    Yet another one ... high quality, full HD, far cry 2 , playable on Llano, 11 fps on HD3000.
  • Finally - Thursday, June 30, 2011 - link

    A German magazine has proven that a Llano will run fine with DDR3-1600 (and upwards). It's called computerbase, have a look: http://tinyurl.com/6zsv6kk
  • Finally - Thursday, June 30, 2011 - link

    DDR3-1600 RAM isn't that much more expensive than the run-of-the-mill type... both are ridiculously cheap right now.
    With only 65€ for 8GB of (good gamer) RAM, I'd say that this has already become the new standard minimum amount.
  • havoti97 - Sunday, July 3, 2011 - link

    You are not entitled to anything. You get what's given to you. If you don't like it, go look elsewhere or do yar own benchmark.
  • L. - Thursday, June 30, 2011 - link

    This is almost correct.

    a) s1155 prices have dropped, you can expect A75 to do the same
    b) Llano is AMD and WILL be cheaper
    c) The core i3 2100 is way overkill for flash, full hd and basic stuff
    d) For that you have a 18W e-350 that's so much more money and power efficient
    e) Office desktops do NOT need the power of an i3-2100

    Besides, you seem to think the GPU is useless outside of games, might be partly true today but it's not meant to last.
  • ganteng3005 - Thursday, June 30, 2011 - link

    IMHO it's not that GPU is useless outside of games (even Windows Aero requires a "real" GPU to run), but what I'm saying is that Intel HD Graphics is sufficient for daily usage except gaming and graphical computing. I might be incorrect, though, but for me, personally, an i3 2100 is sufficient (even overkill, I agree) for office tasks.

    E-350 and Pentium G620 (SB) might be better in price/performance, but what I've noticed from the E-350 (and of course, Intel Atom) is the lack of real-time responsiveness on laptops. It might be just me, though.
  • kevith - Thursday, June 30, 2011 - link

    Does that mean to say, that I´ll not be able to run Windows Aero with any buil-in GPU? AMD or Intel...
  • StormyParis - Thursday, June 30, 2011 - link

    "Besides, you seem to think the GPU is useless outside of games, might be partly true today but it's not meant to last.".

    We'll see when we get there. The industry has a terrible, terrible record of adapting software to new hardware, especially to new CPU instruction sets / capabilities. Look at all the x86 extensions that are still barely used (anything after SSE2 ?).

    My take it... that exact same quote will still apply 3 yrs from now, and by then, we'll be due for an upgrade ^^

Log in

Don't have an account? Sign up now