AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 9 7950X and Ryzen 5 7600X Review: Retaking The High-End
by Ryan Smith & Gavin Bonshor on September 26, 2022 9:00 AM ESTSPEC2017 Multi-Threaded Results
Although single-threaded performance is important and Zen 4 has a clear advantage here, multi-threaded performance is also very important. Some variables to consider when evaluating multi-threaded performance is that desktop processor designs typically boost a single core higher, with the rest lagging in frequency behind to either stay under the thermal (TJMax) or power (TDP) envelopes. Some manufacturing processes are more efficient by design due to extensive R+D and product management, with Zen 4 looking to be much more in terms of perf per watt over Intel's Alder Lake architecture.
In the instance of the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X, it has a clear advantage over its predecessors in that it not only has a higher single core boost (5.7 GHz versus 4.9 GHz), but it also has a higher TDP than the Ryzen 9 5950X (170 W versus 105 W. This increase in TDP not only allows for a higher frequency, but it allows for a higher frequency spread across all of the cores when under full load.
Opening up our look at our SPECint2017 NT results, and we see a similar uplift in performance gains as we did in the single-threaded tests. In tests such as 500.perlbench_r, the Ryzen 9 7950 is 38% ahead of AMD's previous generation Ryzen 9 5950X, which is impressive. In 523_.xalanbmk_r, the Ryzen 9 7950 is 55% ahead of the Ryzen 9 5950X, and over 100% better in performance over the Zen 2-based Ryzen 9 3950X.
In our SPECfp2017 NT testing, certain workloads such as in 538.imagick_r showed massive increases in performance over previous generations, with a 30% uplift in performance over Zen 3. The difference here between Zen 3 and Zen 2 was marginal (10%), but Zen 4 is a more efficient core architectural design, with many improvements across the board playing a hand here; the switch to DDR5 versus DDR4, more cache per core, higher frequency, higher TDP, etc.
Overall AMD's Zen 4 architectural differences and improvements show that not only does AMD have the crown for single-threaded performance, but it's also ahead in multi-threaded performance too, at least from our SPEC2017 testing. As always when Intel or AMD makes a claim on IPC performance increases, AMD seems to be about right with claims of around 29% in ST performance and even more so in MT performance.
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phoenix_rizzen - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link
The Spec graphs are hard to read as you don't have the CPUs listed in the correct order. You should switch dark blue to be 5950X and light blue to be 3950X. Right now you have the CPUs (graphs) listed as:Intel
7950X
3950X
5950X
It really should be:
Intel
7950X
5950X
3950X
That would make it a lot easier to see the generational improvements. Sort things logically, numerically. :) Reply
Otritus - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link
@Ryan Smith please do this. I was also having difficulty reading the Spec graph. ReplyGavin Bonshor - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link
I apologize for doing it this way. I promise I'll sort it in the morning (UK based) Replyyeeeeman - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link
Retaking the high end for 1 month. Replyyeeeeman - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link
TBH, what I am most excited about is the zen 4 laptop parts, like the phoenix apu, with 8 zen 4 cores, rdna 3 igpu, lpddr5, 4nm cpu, 5nm gpu, that should bring some clear improvements over the 4000 series ryzen which are still amazingly good. 5000 and 6000 series haven't brought much improvements over the 4000 series, like my 4800H, so I am curious to see what the 7000 series will bring. Already dreaming about a fully metal body, slim laptop, 14-16 inch, OLED, 90Hz minimum, laminated screen, preferably touch and 360 hinge, 1.5kg top. that will be nice. Replyabufrejoval - Wednesday, September 28, 2022 - link
Since you're hinting that Intel will change things, there is much less of a chance for Intel to catch up in the mobile sector on 10nm.For the laptops I see a different story at almost every five Watts of permissible power for the CPUside of things. But much less change between the 4000-7000 Zen generations at the same energy settings.
Any hopes for a more-than-casual gaming iGPU can't but fail, because AMD can't overcome the DRAM bandwidth limitations, unless they were to start with stuff like extra channels of RAM on the die carrier like Apple (or HBM).
And that basically leaves 13% of IPC improvements, some efficiency gains but much less clock gains, because that's mostly additional Wattage on the desktop parts, not available on battery.
I haven't tried the 6800U yet, but even if it were to be 100% better than my 5800U, that's still too slow a GPU to drive my Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 13ACN notebook's 2560x1600 display full throttle. Even 4x speed won't change that, it just takes a 250 Watt GPU to drive that resolution more like 350 Watts for 4k.
I just bought a nice 3k 90Hz OLED 5825U based 14" notebook (Asus Zenbook 14) for one of my sons, full metal slim but without touch for less than €1000 including taxes and he's completely stunned by the combination of display brightness (he tends to use it outside) and battery life.
As long as you think of it as a 2D machine that will do fine display Google Earth in 3D, you'll be happy. If you try to turn it into a gaming laptop it's outright grief or severe compromises.
And I just don't see how a dGPU on an APU makes much sense, because you just purchase capabilities twice without the ability to combine them in something that actually works. Those hybrid approaches were only ever good in theory. Reply
Makaveli - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link
"I have a 1440p 144Hz monitor and I play at 1080p just because that's what I'm used to."*Insert ryan reynolds meme
Buy why? Reply
Gavin Bonshor - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link
Because I fear that if I drop below 144 Hz in any title, that my life wouldn't be able to cope. Maybe I just need to upgrade from an RX 5700 XT? ReplyMakaveli - Tuesday, September 27, 2022 - link
Ah yes its time.Go RDNA3 Reply
kryn5 - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link
"Despite modern-day graphics cards, especially the flagships, now at the level where 1440p and 4K gaming is viable, 1080p is still a very popular resolution to play games at; I have a 1440p 144Hz monitor and I play at 1080p just because that's what I'm used to."I... what? Reply