Unlike the EVGA e-GeForce 7800 GTX that we reviewed, the MSI NX7800 GTX did not come factory overclocked. The core clock was 430MHz and the memory clock was set at 1.20GHz, the same as our reference card. We were, however, able to overclock our MSI card a bit more than the EVGA, giving us 485MHz core and 1.25GHz memory. Our EVGA only reached up to 475MHz, and we'll see how the numbers stand up to each other in the next section.

We used the same method as mentioned in the EVGA article to get our overclock speeds. To recap, we turned up the core and memory clock speeds in increments and ran Battlefield 2 benchmarks to test stability until it no longer ran cleanly. Then we backed it down until it was stable and used those numbers.

For some more general info about how we deal with overclocking, check the overclocking section of the last article on the EVGA e-GeForce 7800 GT. The story doesn't end here, however. We have been doing some digging regarding NVIDIA's handling of clock speed adjustment and have found some quite problematic information.

After talking to NVIDIA at length, we have learned that it is more difficult to actually set the 7800 GTX to a particular clock speed than it is to achieve 18pi miles per hour in a Ferrari. Apparently, NVIDIA looks at clock speed adjustments as a "speed knob" rather than a real clock speed control. The granularity of NVIDIA's clock speed adjustment is not incremental by 1 MHz as the Coolbits slider would have us believe. There are multiple clock partitions with "most of the die area" being clocked at 430MHz on the reference card. This makes it difficult to say what parts of the chip are running at a particular frequency at any given time.

Presuming that we should know exactly how fast every transistor is running at all times is absurd, but we don't have any such info on CPUs, yet there's no problem there. When working to overclock CPUs, we look at multipliers and bus speeds, giving us good reference points. If core frequency and the clock speed slider are more like a "speed knob" and all we need is a reference point, why not pick 0 to 10? Remember when enthusiasts would go so far as to replace crystals on motherboards to overclock? Are we going to have to return to those days in order to know truly what speed our GPU is running? I, for one, certainly hope not.

We can understand the delicate situation that NVIDIA is in when it comes to revealing too much information about how their chips are clocked and designed. However, there is a minimum level of information that we need in order to understand what it means to overclock a 7800 GTX, and we just don't have it yet. NVIDIA tells us that fill rate can be used to verify clock speed, but this doesn't give us enough details to determine what's actually going on.

Asking NVIDIA for more information regarding how their chips are clocked has been akin to beating one's head against a wall. And so, we decided to take it upon ourselves to test a wide variety of clock speeds between 400MHz and 490MHz to try to get a better idea of what's going on. Here's a look at Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory performance over multiple core clock speeds.

As we can see, there is really no major effect on performance if clock speed isn't adjusted by about 15 to 25 MHz at a time. Smaller increases do yield some differences. The most interesting aspect to note is that it takes more of an increase to have a significant effect when starting from a higher frequency. We can see that at lower frequency, plateaus span about 10 MHz; while between 450 and 470 MHz, there is no useful increase in speed.

This data seems to indicate that each increase in the driver does increase the speed of something insignificant at every step. When moving up to one of the plateaus, it seems that a multiplier for something more important (like the pixel shader hardware) gets bumped up to the next discrete level. It is difficult to say with any certainty what is happening inside the hardware without more information.

We will be following this issue over time as we continue to cover individual 7800 GTX cards. NVIDIA has also indicated that they may "try to improve the granularity of clock speed adjustments", but when or if that happens and what the change will bring are questions that they would not discuss. Until we know more or have a better tool for overclocking, we will continue testing cards as we have in the past. For now, let's get back to the MSI card.

The Card Performance Tests


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  • DigitalDivine - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    I like the new style, but is there a way to put the reply box back to the main comments page, posting quick replies without going to another page would be nice.

    i wonder when they will release a $400 7800, hopefully a 24 pipe card... my 9800pro is so "old" now.
  • at80eighty - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    but is there a way to put the reply box back to the main comments page, posting quick replies without going to another page would be nice

    Bears repeating. (the formatting options are nice tho!)
  • Brian23 - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    Bears?!?! Reply
  • at80eighty - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    You Sir, may have latent gay issues to work on

    not that there's anything wrong with that...
  • bob661 - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    Some of my best friends are gay. :) Reply
  • xsilver - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    just had a thought.
    are there any games confirmed that need ps3.0 or any features present in this card or the 6800 series?
    The only game that I can think of is UT'07 where it was stated that the 6800 series was the first to be able to support such high poly counts
    any games stated to come out before then that would require an upgrade from a ati card? (9800/x800)
    comes on the back of the ti4600 owners that cant play BF2 at all
  • at80eighty - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    Maybe i missed the memo - but why the hell had AT gone /. ?!!?! AARRGH!!

    Anand i really liked the prior comments style! very simple and easy to read. Keep the filters if you like, just gimme back the old layout!!

    /puts pacifier back in the mouth :p
  • bersl2 - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    Ha ha!
    I like it Slash-ed up!
  • p3r2y - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    dude...an xfx comes with a 490/1300 factory overclock, the largest of any card, and comes with bf2. period. Reply
  • InTheFlow - Monday, August 01, 2005 - link

    I'd love to see this card reviewed right after the BFG card. Reply

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