Intel’s Tiger Lake 11th Gen Core i7-1185G7 Review and Deep Dive: Baskin’ for the Exotic
by Dr. Ian Cutress & Andrei Frumusanu on September 17, 2020 9:35 AM EST- Posted in
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- Xe-LP
- Willow Cove
- SuperFin
- 11th Gen
- i7-1185G7
- Tiger King
Xe-LP GPU Performance: F1 2019
The F1 racing games from Codemasters have been popular benchmarks in the tech community, mostly for ease-of-use and that they seem to take advantage of any area of a machine that might be better than another. The 2019 edition of the game features all 21 circuits on the calendar, and includes a range of retro models and DLC focusing on the careers of Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna. Built on the EGO Engine 3.0, the game has been criticized similarly to most annual sports games, by not offering enough season-to-season graphical fidelity updates to make investing in the latest title worth it, however the 2019 edition revamps up the Career mode, with features such as in-season driver swaps coming into the mix. The quality of the graphics this time around is also superb, even at 4K low or 1080p Ultra.
To be honest, F1 benchmarking has been up and down in any given year. Since at least 2014, the benchmark has revolved around a ‘test file’, which allows you to set what track you want, which driver to control, what weather you want, and which cars are in the field. In previous years I’ve always enjoyed putting the benchmark in the wet at Spa-Francorchamps, starting the fastest car at the back with a field of 19 Vitantonio Liuzzis on a 2-lap race and watching sparks fly. In some years, the test file hasn’t worked properly, with the track not being able to be changed.
For our test, we put Alex Albon in the Red Bull in position #20, for a dry two-lap race around Austin.
In this case, at 1080p Ultra, AMD and Intel (28W) are matched. Unfortunately looking through the data, the 15 W test run crashed and we only noticed after we returned the system.
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huangcjz - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
No, you can say "have to hand" as in something which is available. E.g. "Do you have the presentation to hand?"29a - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
Wouldn't a non Iris chip be a fairer comparison to Renoir?Kamen Rider Blade - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
AMD's 4800U has a 25 watt mode, Hardware UnBoxed tested it against Intel.Why didn't you test it and put those results in the chart?
Why this biased reviewing of one side gets 15 watt and 28 watt scores.
Yet AMD isn't allowed to show 25 watt scores?
What are you afraid of when comparing like for like?
IanCutress - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
For us, the 15W to 15W results were the focal point. 28W is there to show a max Intel and look at scaling. Also, The amount of 4800U devices at 25W is minimal.Not only that, I'm on holiday. I had to spend two days out, while in this lovely cottage in the countryside, to write 18k words, rather than spend time with my family. I had 4 days with the TGL laptop, and 8 days notice in advance to prepare before the deadline. Just me with a couple of pages from Andrei, no-one else. Still posted the review 30 minutes late, while writing it in a pub as my family had lunch. Had to take the amd laptop with me to test, and it turns out downloading Borderlands 3 in the middle of nowhere is a bad idea.
Not only that, I've been finishing up other projects last week. I do what I can in the time I have. This review is 21k words and more detailed than anything else out there done by a single person currently in the middle of a vacation. If you have further complains, our publisher's link is at the bottom of the webpage. Or roll your own. What are you afraid of? I stand by my results and my work ethic.
PixyMisa - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
I really appreciate the effort. The individual SPEC results are vastly more useful than (for example) a single Geekbench score.Spunjji - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
I can second that - I appreciate seeing a breakdown of the strengths/weaknesses of each core design.Kamen Rider Blade - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
We appreaciate your hard work, I do watch your YT channel Tech Tech Potato. That being said, if you knew about this issue, with not comparing like for like; then just omit the 28 W scores from the Intel machine and just focus on Intel's 15W vs AMD's 15W.Why even include the 28W on the chart? You know how this makes you and Anandtech look, right? The issues of bias towards or against any entity could've been easily avoided if you had "Like for like" scores across the board. That's part of what Steve from Gamers Nexus and many of us enthusiast see's as "Bias Marketing" or "Paid Shilling" to manipulate results in one way or another. Many people can easily interpret your data of not showing "like for like" in many wrong ways when they have no context for it.
If you didn't want to test AMD's 25 watt scores, nobody would care, just don't bring up Intel's equivalent 28 watt scores. Alot of the more casual readers won't look at the details and they can easily mis-interpret things. I prefer that your good name doesn't get dragged down in mud with a simple omission of certain benchmark figures. I know you wouldn't deliberately do that to show bias towards one entity or another, but will other folks know that?
Spunjji - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
Presenting the figures he has isn't bias. Bias would be proclaiming Intel to be the winner without noting the discrepancy, or specifically choosing tests to play to the strength of one architecture.As it is, the Lenovo device doesn't do a 25W mode, so you're asking him to add a full extra device's worth of testing to an already long review. That's a bit much.
If you take a look at the 65W APU results and compare them, you'll see a familiar story for Renoir - there's not actually a whole lot of extra gas in the tank to be exploited by a marginally higher TDP. It performs spectacularly well at 15W, and that's that.
Kamen Rider Blade - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
You can literally just omit the 65W APU, it has no relevance to be on that chart.Ok, if that Lenovo LapTop doesn't offer a 25W mode, fine. Maybe Hardware Unboxed got a different model of LapTop for the 4800U. Then don't present Intel's 28W mode.
That's how people misunderstand things when there is a deliberate omission of information or extra information that the other side doesn't happen. The lack of pure like for like causes issues.
Spunjji - Saturday, September 19, 2020 - link
You're *demanding bias*. They had the Intel device with a 28W mode, 28W figures are a big part of the TGL proposition, so they tested it and labelled it all appropriately. That isn't bias.The "lack of pure like for like" only causes issues if you don't really pay attention to what the article says about what they had and how they tested it.