The 64 Core Threadripper 3990X CPU Review: In The Midst Of Chaos, AMD Seeks Opportunity
by Dr. Ian Cutress & Gavin Bonshor on February 7, 2020 9:00 AM ESTAMD 3990X Against $20k Enterprise CPUs
For those looking at a server replacement CPU, AMD’s big discussion point here is that in order to get 64 cores on Intel hardware is relatively hard. The best way to get there is with a dual socket system, featuring two of its 28-core dies at a hefty $10k a piece. AMD’s argument is that users can consolidate down to a single socket, but also have better memory support, PCIe 4.0, and no cross-memory domain issues.
AMD 3990X Enterprise Competition | |||
AnandTech | AMD 3990X |
AMD 7702P |
Intel 2x8280 |
SEP | $3990 | $4450 | $20018 |
Cores/Threads | 64 / 128 | 64 / 128 | 56 / 112 |
Base Frequency | 2900 | 2000 | 2700 |
Turbo Frequency | 4300 | 3350 | 4000 |
PCIe | 4.0 x64 | 4.0 x128 | 3.0 x96 |
DDR4 Frequency | 4x 3200 | 8x 3200 | 12x 2933 |
Max DDR4 Capacity | 512 GB | 2 TB | 3 TB |
TDP | 280 W | 200 W | 410 W |
Unfortunately I was unable to get ahold of our Rome CPUs from Johan in time for this review, however I do have data from several dual Intel Xeon setups that I did a few months ago, including the $20k system.
This time with Corona the competition is hot on the heels of AMD's 64-core CPUs, but even $20k of hardware can't match it.
The non-AVX verson of 3DPM puts the Zen 2 hardware out front, with everything else waiting in the wings.
When we add in the AVX-512 hand tuned code, the situation flips: Intel's 56 cores get almost 2.5x the score of AMD, despite having fewer cores.
Blender doesn't seem to like the additional access latency from the 2P systems.
For AES encoding, as the benchmark takes places from memory, it appears that none of Intel's CPUs can match AMD here.
For the 7-zip combined test, there's little difference between AMD's 32-core and 64-core, but there are sizable jumps above Intel hardware.
Verdict
In our tests here (more in our benchmark database), AMD's 3990X would get the crown over Intel's dual socket offerings. The only thing really keeping me back from giving it is the same reason there was hesitation on the previous page: it doesn't do enough to differentiate itself from AMD's own 32-core CPU. Where AMD does win is in that 'money is less of an issue scenario', where using a single socket 64 core CPU can help consolidate systems, save power, and save money. Intel's CPUs have a TDP of 205W each (more if you decide to use the turbo, which we did here), which totals 410W, while AMD maxed out at 280W in our tests. Technically Intel's 2P has access to more PCIe lanes, but AMD's PCIe lanes are PCIe 4.0, not PCIe 3.0, and with the right switch can power many more than Intel (if you're saving 16k, then a switch is peanuts).
We acknowledge that our tests here aren't in any way a comprehensive test of server level workloads, but for the user base that AMD is aiming for, we'd take the 64 core (or even the 32 core) in most circumstances over two Intel 28 core CPUs, and spend the extra money on memory, storage, or a couple of big fat GPUs.
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GreenReaper - Saturday, February 8, 2020 - link
I mean, if you're looking for pure price/performance, you probably want the 3960x (or, if you can stomach it, something much smaller like the Ryzen 2200G or Athlon 3000G).But yeah - for the 3990x, you're paying twice the 3970x, but never getting twice the performance, in part due to the power limit, but also due to scaling issues - some may be Windows-specific, but many are not. Heck, half the time it's no better at all - or worse.
Personally, I look at the power rating (and also whether it can actually use all that power), although I guess it's possible to bin chips such that they are just not very efficient at a given speed. Cache can be very important as well - of course, that's part of the power rating. Usually you get a much better deal for not using the "full" CPU either, but one with defects - the tradeoff being limited capacity.
Korguz - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
just checked 2 local stores, the price for these is between $5250 and $5400... wowMakaveli - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
Yup Canada Computers has it for $5,249 CADSo $1,259 Retailer markup.
Makaveli - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
Actually my bad there is no edit button.....$3990 USD = $5306.84 CAD
MattZN - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
Its on Amazon now for basically $4000.-Matt
Korguz - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
$4k US. the prices i mentioned and as makaveli noticed, were CDN :-)Sahrin - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
If AMD can get a Zen 2 core to run at <3W@3.4GHz Intel is fucked.Alistair - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
They already have. The new Ryzen 4800U.Orkiton - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
so... there's nothing better for a runners up (Intel) than a pushy competitor (AMD)HStewart - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
This is a honest generic CPU question and not directly related to this CPU except that it has 64 cores.I understand that 4 or even 8 cores are helpful for client machines, but I am wonder if 32 or 64 core is going too much to provide any effect especially in a single application with mostly visual user interface which too my knowledge is not really multi-threaded because there is a single resource which is the video screen