People that want their laptop to be powerful if needed, and long-lasting if needed? My XPS 15 has an i7-7700HQ, GTX1050 and still gets a solid 7-10 hours of battery life for web browsing, document processing etc.
Many 15” “premium” laptops (e.g. MacBook Pro, Dell XPS 15...) use 45W chip that are still very much care about battery life. Having an iGPU or only dGPU is the difference between 9~6 Hours or 2 Hours battery life.
I actually think iGPU being Vega or GPGPU focused uArch is better than having Gaming Focused like Navi / RDNA. Those GPGPU could be put to good use once software catches up.
So I do hope the 5000 Ryzen Series to be Arcturus GPU based.
I am inexpert, but maybe we all are? The apu is monolithic. They cant mis and match. It needs to cover a range of needs in one form, & i suspect lisa has her eye on apps for the apu that place great value on compute - a strong point of vega.
embedded processors for AI onthe edge come to mind - smart cars?
What are you talking about? AMD does ship the 45W parts without dGPU's. Look at the ASUS machine; it's a Ryzen 4000 APU + an Nvidia RTX 2060 (aka, AMD only sold them the APU by itself). It's entirely down to the OEM's whether or not to use an H or U series CPU as well as whether to pair it with a dGPU, but with the H series APU flagship having worse iGPU performance than the U series model (1x less CU), and a 45W CPU inherently requiring a cooling system redesign to implement, not adding a dGPU to H using models in these very early days doesn't make much sense.
As the 14" ASUS shows, Ryzen 4000 H devices can be small enough already that you really wouldn't save much more space or weight by axing the RTX 2060 but staying w/ an H series CPU, with the only real reasons to do so being price & battery life related (the latter of which can be dealt with by simply force disabling the dGPU when not explicitly being used). IMO, to make a truly noticeable difference in real world use conditions you'd need to axe both the dGPU AND switch to a U series part, such that you could dramatically scale back the cooling system & required VRM board space, as well as the battery if further size reduction is desired.
I believe that comment was about there not being any designs with the powerful H-series APU without any kind of dGPU (AMD or Nvidia) - not about AMD bundling APU+dGPU together.
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nandnandnand - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Who cares about battery life in the laptops with 45W chips? If you want good battery life, you get the 15W chip.Retycint - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
People that want their laptop to be powerful if needed, and long-lasting if needed? My XPS 15 has an i7-7700HQ, GTX1050 and still gets a solid 7-10 hours of battery life for web browsing, document processing etc.Butterfish - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Many 15” “premium” laptops (e.g. MacBook Pro, Dell XPS 15...) use 45W chip that are still very much care about battery life. Having an iGPU or only dGPU is the difference between 9~6 Hours or 2 Hours battery life.shing3232 - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
I do care, and i got decent battery with my 9750h+2070mq+100wh battery.Jugotta Bichokink - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Exactly. "I want the top clocks and performance, but using less power than anyone else!"ksec - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
I actually think iGPU being Vega or GPGPU focused uArch is better than having Gaming Focused like Navi / RDNA. Those GPGPU could be put to good use once software catches up.So I do hope the 5000 Ryzen Series to be Arcturus GPU based.
msroadkill612 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
I am inexpert, but maybe we all are? The apu is monolithic. They cant mis and match. It needs to cover a range of needs in one form, & i suspect lisa has her eye on apps for the apu that place great value on compute - a strong point of vega.embedded processors for AI onthe edge come to mind - smart cars?
Cooe - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
What are you talking about? AMD does ship the 45W parts without dGPU's. Look at the ASUS machine; it's a Ryzen 4000 APU + an Nvidia RTX 2060 (aka, AMD only sold them the APU by itself). It's entirely down to the OEM's whether or not to use an H or U series CPU as well as whether to pair it with a dGPU, but with the H series APU flagship having worse iGPU performance than the U series model (1x less CU), and a 45W CPU inherently requiring a cooling system redesign to implement, not adding a dGPU to H using models in these very early days doesn't make much sense.As the 14" ASUS shows, Ryzen 4000 H devices can be small enough already that you really wouldn't save much more space or weight by axing the RTX 2060 but staying w/ an H series CPU, with the only real reasons to do so being price & battery life related (the latter of which can be dealt with by simply force disabling the dGPU when not explicitly being used). IMO, to make a truly noticeable difference in real world use conditions you'd need to axe both the dGPU AND switch to a U series part, such that you could dramatically scale back the cooling system & required VRM board space, as well as the battery if further size reduction is desired.
neblogai - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
There are plenty of U-series laptops, but no H-series ultraportables at 13", ~1kg (not ultrathins, or gaming laptops).Hul8 - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
I believe that comment was about there not being any designs with the powerful H-series APU without any kind of dGPU (AMD or Nvidia) - not about AMD bundling APU+dGPU together.