Conclusion: Raising the Bar for Integrated Graphics

The march on integrated graphics has come and gone in rapid spurts: the initial goal of providing a solution that provides enough performance for general office work has bifurcated into something that also aims gives a good gaming experience. Despite AMD and NVIDIA being the traditional gaming graphics companies, in this low-end space, it has required companies with x86 CPUs and compatible graphics IP to complete, meaning AMD and Intel. While going toe-to-toe for a number of years, with Intel dedicating over half of its silicon area to graphics at various points, the battle has become one-sided - Intel in the end only produced its higher performance solutions for specific customers willing to pay for it, while AMD marched up the performance by offering a lower cost solution as an alternative to discrete graphics cards that served little purpose beyond monitor output devices. This has come to a head, signifying a clear winner: AMD's graphics is the choice for an integrated solution, so much so that Intel is buying AMD's Vega silicon, a custom version, for its own mid-range integrated graphics. For AMD, that's a win. Now with the new Ryzen APUs, AMD has risen that low-end bar again.

If there was any doubt that AMD holds the integrated graphics crown, when we compare the new Ryzen APUs against Intel's latest graphics solutions, there is a clear winner. For almost all the 1080p benchmarks, the Ryzen APUs are 2-3x better in every metric. We can conclude that Intel has effectively given over this integrated graphics space to AMD at this point, deciding to focus on its encode/decode engines rather than raw gaming and 3D performance. With AMD having DDR4-2933 as the supported memory frequency on the APUs, assuming memory can be found for a reasonable price, it gaming performance at this price is nicely impressive.

When we compare the Ryzen 5 2400G with any CPU paired with the NVIDIA GT 1030, both solutions are within a few percent of each other in all of our 1080p benchmarks. The NVIDIA GT 1030 is a $90 graphics card, which when paired with a CPU, gets you two options: either match the combined price with the Ryzen 5 2400G, which leaves $80 for a CPU, giving a Pentium that loses in anything multi-threaded to AMD; or just increases the cost fo the system to get a CPU that is equivalent in performance. Except for chipset IO, the Intel + GT 1030 route offers no benefits over the AMD solution: it costs more, for a budget-constrained market, and draws more power overall. There's also the fact that the AMD APUs come with a Wraith Stealth 65W cooler, which adds additional value to the package that Intel doesn't seem to want to match.

For the compute benchmarks, Intel is still a clear winner with single threaded tests, with a higher IPC and higher turbo frequency. That is something that AMD might be able to catch up with on 12nm Zen+ coming later this year, which should offer a higher frequency, but Zen 2 is going to be the next chance to bridge this gap. If we compare the multi-threaded tests, AMD with 4C/8T and Intel 6C/6T seem to battle it out depending if a test can use multi-threading appropriately, but compared to Kaby Lake 4C/4T or 2C/4T offerings, AMD comes out ahead.

With the Ryzen 5 2400G, AMD has completely shut down the sub-$100 graphics card market. As a choice for gamers on a budget, those building systems in the region of $500, it becomes the processor to pick.

For the Ryzen 3 2200G, we want to spend more time analyzing the effect of a $99 quad-core APU the market, as well as looking how memory speed affects performance, especially with integrated graphics. There's also the angle of overclocking - with AMD showing a 20-25% frequency increase on the integrated graphics, we want to delve into how to unlock potential bottlenecks in a future article.

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  • Gonemad - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    These chips will cause a major segment of low-end graphics cards to be buried, or have their prices cut down. I can't wait for the benchmarks, and see how many generations will be affected.
  • callmesissi - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    what an amazing apu... this makes all celerons / pentiums and half of i3 completely out of market! this apu is so good, so cheap, kills all the entry level gpus and basically all those intel cpus mentioned .
    way to go amd! now about those drivers and bios....
  • edlee - Thursday, February 15, 2018 - link

    this is amazing by AMD, they need to keep the hits coming, and chipping away market share from intel. Intel has not made any progress on processor graphics in years, this is a super aggressive strategy by AMD that i think will work. Nvidia basically has to cancel out any gpu line below gtx 1030 by next year. Hopefully AMD comes out with a GTX 1050 killer by next year.
  • CSMR - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    I think the relevant Intel comparisons would be processors with Iris Pro or Iris Plus.
  • Hixbot - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    Do these APUs not compete directly with the new Intel-Vega chips? Why did AMD give Intel Vega, when AMD could have had the APU market all to themselves?
  • SaturnusDK - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    Not really. The i8809G as it's called is supposedly a mobile part if you can call a 100W TDP part mobile by any stretch of the imagination. It's based on a 22 (or 24) CU Vega and will be much much more expensive. Expect it to land somewhere in the $400+ range, ie. more expensive than an 8700K
  • franco1961 - Thursday, February 15, 2018 - link

    Hi Ian. Two questions: I have to do a cheap PC for video editing (Adobe Premiere, After Effcets, etc.) and I thought about a Ryzen 3 1200 and a Geforce GT 1030. You think this Ryzen 5 2400G goes for video editing by having a Vega 11? Another question: using DDR4 2400 would I have a strong performance drop or could it be okay? Thank you!
  • rexian96 - Thursday, February 15, 2018 - link

    A question for Ian or anyone who knows - Does 2400G not support HW encoding of H264/265 and just limited decoding? Or that Handbrake doesn't support it yet? Looking at the encoding score it would seem 8400 is miles ahead though the GPU in Ryzen is much stronger.
  • csell - Friday, February 16, 2018 - link

    Hi. Do you know the max videoram?
    Will it be possible to use Crossfire between the shared ram and a graphics card?
    If crossfire will be limited to VEGA graphics card, will I hope AMD will introduce a cheap graphics card with just 8 or 11 Vega compute units and may be HDMI 2.0
  • SaturnusDK - Friday, February 16, 2018 - link

    There will be no crossfire with dGPUs. It's no possible at all.

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