Some Final Thoughts and Comparisons

With the Hot Chips presentation we’ve been given more information on the Zen core microarchitecture than we expected to have at this point in the Zen design/launch cycle. AMD has already stated that general availability for Zen will be in Q1, and Zen might not be the final product launch name/brand when it comes to market. However, there are still plenty of gaps in our knowledge for the hardware, and AMD has promised to reveal this information as we get closer to launch.

We discussed in our earlier piece on the Zen performance metrics given mid-week that it can be hard to interpret any anecdotal benchmark data at this point when there is so much we don’t know (or can’t confirm). With the data in this talk at Hot Chips, we can fill out a lot of information for a direct comparison chart to AMD’s last product and Intel’s current offerings.

CPU uArch Comparison
  AMD Intel
  Zen
8C/16T
2017
Bulldozer
4M / 8T
2010
Skylake
4C / 8T
2015
Broadwell
8C / 16T
2014
L1-I Size 64KB/core 64KB/module 32KB/core 32KB/core
L1-I Assoc 4-way 2-way 8-way 8-way
L1-D Size 32KB/core 16KB/thread 32KB/core 32KB/core
L1-D Assoc 8-way 4-way 8-way 8-way
L2 Size 512KB/core 1MB/thread 256KB/core 256KB/core
L2 Assoc 8-way 16-way 4-way 8-way
L3 Size 2MB/core 1MB/thread >2MB/cire 1.5-3MB/core
L3 Assoc 16-way 64-way 16-way 16/20-way
L3 Type Victim Victim Write-back Write-back
L0 ITLB Entry 8 - - -
L0 ITLB Assoc ? - - -
L1 ITLB Entry 64 72 128 128
L1 ITLB Assoc ? Full 8-way 4-way
L2 ITLB Entry 512 512 1536 1536
L2 ITLB Assoc ? 4-way 12-way 4-way
L1 DTLB Entry 64 32 64 64
L1 DTLB Assoc ? Full 4-way 4-way
L2 DTLB Entry 1536 1024 - -
L2 DTLB Assoc ? 8-way - -
Decode 4 uops/cycle 4 Mops/cycle 5 uops/cycle 4 uops/cycle
uOp Cache Size ? - 1536 1536
uOp Cache Assoc ? - 8-way 8-way
uOp Queue Size ? - 128 64
Dispatch / cycle 6 uops/cycle 4 Mops/cycle 6 uops/cycle 4 uops/cycle
INT Registers 168 160 180 168
FP Registers 160 96 168 168
Retire Queue 192 128 224 192
Retire Rate 8/cycle 4/cycle 8/cycle 4/cycle
Load Queue 72 40 72 72
Store Queue 44 24 56 42
ALU 4 2 4 4
AGU 2 2 2+2 2+2
FMAC 2x128-bit 2x128-bit
2x MMX 128-bit
2x256-bit 2x256-bit

Bulldozer uses AMD-coined macro-ops, or Mops, which are internal fixed length instructions and can account for 3 smaller ops. These AMD Mops are different to Intel's 'macro-ops', which are variable length and different to Intel's 'micro-ops', which are simpler and fixed-length.

Excavator has a number of improvements over Bulldozer, such as a larger L1-D cache and a 768-entry L1 BTB size, however we were never given a full run-down of the core in a similar fashion and no high-end desktop version of Excavator will be made.

This isn’t an exhaustive list of all features (thanks to CPU World, Real World Tech and WikiChip for filling in some blanks) by any means, and doesn’t paint the whole story. For example, on the power side of the equation, AMD is stating that it has the ability to clock gate parts of the core and CCX that are not required to save power, and the L3 runs on its own clock domain shared across the cores. Or the latency to run certain operations, which is critical for workflow if a MUL operation takes 3, 4 or 5 cycles to complete. We have been told that the FPU load is two cycles quicker, which is something. The latency in the caches is also going to feature heavily in performance, and all we are told at this point is that L2 and L3 are lower latency than previous designs.

A number of these features we’ve already seen on Intel x86 CPUs, such as move elimination to reduce power, or the micro-op cache. The micro-op cache is a piece of the puzzle we want to know more about, especially the rate at which we get cache hits for a given workload. Also, the use of new instructions will adjust a number of workloads that rely on them. Some users will lament the lack of true single-instruction AVX-2 support, however I suspect AMD would argue that the die area cost might be excessive at this time. That’s not to say AMD won’t support it in the future – we were told quite clearly that there were a number of features originally listed internally for Zen which didn’t make it, either due to time constraints or a lack of transistors.

We are told that AMD has a clear internal roadmap for CPU microarchitecture design over the next few generations. As long as we don’t stay for so long on 14nm similar to what we did at 28/32nm, with IO updates over the coming years, a competitive clock-for-clock product (even to Broadwell) with good efficiency will be a welcome return.

Simultaneous MultiThreading (SMT) and New Instructions Appendix: Zen Slides from Hot Chips Presentation
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  • tipoo - Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - link

    Meanwhile Intel worked on shortening pipelines...Curious to see how this will go, hope for AMDs sake it's competitive.
  • masouth - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link

    I hope it works out for AMD as well but reading about long pipelines and higher freqs always reminds me of the P4 days

    /shudder
  • junky77 - Wednesday, August 24, 2016 - link

    The problem is now having Intel/AMD provide fast enough CPUs to feed the new GPUs that don't seem to slow down..
  • gamerk2 - Wednesday, August 24, 2016 - link

    Pretty much anything from an i7 920 onward can keep GPUs fed these days. For gaming purposes, CPUs haven't been the bottleneck for over a decade. That's why you don't see significant improvement from generation to generation, since our favorite CPU tests happen to be with GPU sensitive benchmarks.
  • Death666Angel - Thursday, August 25, 2016 - link

    The story is much more complicated than you are making it seem:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frNjT5R5XI4
  • tipoo - Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - link

    A Skylake i3 presents better frametimes than old i7s like the 920 or 2500K
  • rhysiam - Wednesday, August 24, 2016 - link

    40% over Excavator probably still puts it well behind even Haswell on IPC. If I'm looking at it right, Bench on this site has 4 single threaded tests (3 Cinebench versions and 3D Particle...). I crunched some numbers and found that if you add 40% to Excavator @ 4Ghz (X4 860 turbo), it still loses to Skylake @ 3.9Ghz (turbo) by between 32% & 39% across the four benchmarks. Haswell @ 3.9Ghz (turbo) would still be faster by 24% to 33%.

    If it really is 40% minimum, AND they can sustain decent clock speeds, then that's at least enough to be in the ballpark, but it's still well short of Intel in those few benchmarks at least. TBH I don't know how representative those benchmarks are of overall single-threaded performance.

    It could well be a case of AMD offering significantly poorer lightly threaded performance, but a genuine 8 core CPU at an affordable (i.e. not $1000) price.
  • gamerk2 - Wednesday, August 24, 2016 - link

    I except the following:

    ~40% average IPC gain in FP workloads
    ~30% average IPC gain in INT workloads
    ~20% clock speed reduction.

    Average performance increase: ~15-20%, or Ivy Bridge i7 level performance.
  • Michael Bay - Wednesday, August 24, 2016 - link

    Well, nothing stops them from their own brand of tick-tock, especially considering largely stagnant intel IPC.
  • looncraz - Wednesday, August 24, 2016 - link

    40% over Excavator is almost exactly Haswell overall, particularly once you shape the performance to match what is known about Zen.

    http://excavator.looncraz.net/

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