Limitations of This Review

Before we get to our closing thoughts, I want to talk a bit about what we were and weren't able to do in our testing, and in what ways this limits our review. The still somewhat "rough on the edges" software ecosystem gave us a lot of headaches. Our setup was a Ubuntu 14.04 with lots of customized (Cavium's beta gcc compiler, MySQL version ThunderX 5.6) and newer software (the Linux kernel 4.2). The result was that we were slowed down by a large number of solvable (but time consuming) software and configuration problems.

Don't get me wrong: Linux on ARM has come a long way. Most software works, the exception was Spark 1.5 (Java based) which crashed with a very low level message. Still, it took quite a bit of time to get software configured correctly, while on x86 it is simply a matter of using "apt-get install".

Cavium told us that they expect that these problems will be solved in Ubuntu 16.04, and a firmware upgrade to support the new Ubuntu is on its way. That is also why we were not able to test our most real world and relevant benchmarks, such as our webserver tests. Webcaching, light webserving and Contend Delivery Networking might fit the ThunderX well as it has access to more memory and networking bandwidth than the Xeon D.

But webservers require a lot of software components (caching layer, webserver, interpreter etc.) that have to work together well. So we wait for 16.04 and the new firmware to arrive to build these complex tests.

Closing Thoughts

Exploring a new ambitious server SoC is always an interesting journey, but also a very time intensive one. We had to find out what the real performance profile of the ThunderX, not the perceived or advertised one. There have been both good and bad surprises in our journey.

Let's start with the bad: the blocking L1 cache, high latency L2-cache and high latency DRAM access are lowering the scalability of the 48 cores in a whole range of software. The ThunderX could still be a good candidate as front-end webserver, but Cavium has to solve the high power usage at low loads. Power management seems to be more problematic than single-threaded performance. Cavium promises that ThunderX2 will vastly improve power management by letting hardware handle much more of the management duties. But the current ThunderX power management capabilities seem to be rather basic. Cavium's information is sketchy at best.

The Xeon D, by comparison, offers superior performance per watt: twice as good as the ThunderX. It is clear that the ThunderX is not a good match for heavy database servers, nor for enterprise workloads where energy consumption at low load is a high priority.

The good. The 12 and 16-core Xeon Ds ($1300-$1800) and midrange E5s ($900-$2000, not including 10 GBe NICs) cost quite a bit more than the ThunderX ($800). Gigabyte could not tell us how much the R120-T30 would cost, only that the pricing would be "competitive with similar midrange Xeon E5 servers".

Although single-threaded performance is low, it is definitely not as terrible as commonly assumed. We found out that the raw integer computing power of the Thunder-X is about one-third that of the best Xeon Ds, not one-fifth as claimed in advertising materials (a difference of 65%). The ThunderX core is almost as good as the A57, while it consumes quite a bit less power and thus offers a better performance-per-watt than the latter. On the condition that you give it enough DRAM, the 48 cores are able to offer the Java performance of a midrange Xeon E5, even when we expect the system to remain under a certain response time.

Those facts – better than expected single threaded performance and midrange Xeon E5 throughput – make a world of difference. And we have yet to test the ThunderX in situations that is was really built for: network-intensive ones. The XML processing and h264 substests (SPEC CPU) indicate that there is definitely some truth in Cavium's claims that the ThunderX shines as a compute engine of a load balancer, web cache or CDN server.

As single threaded performance (SPEC CPU) is not as dramatic as commonly assumed and Java performance is already very close to what was promised, this puts the forthcoming ThunderX2 in a different light.

Using the new 14 nm FinFET technology of GlobalFoundries, Cavium claims it will reach 2.6-3.0 GHz and get a lot of microarchitectural improvements. This should result in twice as much performance per core. If indeed the ThunderX2 can offer single threaded performance at the level of the low end Xeon D (1.3-1.5 GHz), that might place it in the "SoCs with acceptable single threaded performance" and opens up new markets. Time will tell, but Cavium has proven it can deliver SoCs in a timely manner. And the fact that Cavium allows independent testing instead of just showing numbers on PowerPoint presentations tell us that they have confidence in the future of their ARMv8 endeavors.

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  • JohanAnandtech - Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - link

    Good suggestion. I have been using an ipmi client to manage several other servers, like the IBM servers. However, such a GUI client is still a bit more userfriendly, ipmi commands can get complicated if you don't use them regularly. The thing is that HP and Intel's BMC GUI are a lot easier to use and more reliable.
  • fanofanand - Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - link

    I think you may have an inaccurate figure of 141 at idle (in the graph) for the Thunder. "makes us suspect that the chip is consuming between 40 and 50W at idle, as measured at the wall"
  • JohanAnandtech - Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - link

    If you look at the Column "peak vs idle", you see 82W. At peak, we assume that a 120W TDP chip will probably need about 130W. 130W - 82W (both measured at the wall) = 50W for the SoC alone at idle measured at the wall, so anywhere between 40-50W in reality. My Calculation is a "guestimate", but it is clear that the Cavium chip needs much more in idle than the Intel chips.(10-15W) .
  • djayjp - Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - link

    Many spelling/grammar issues here. It impacts readability. Please read before posting.
  • djayjp - Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - link

    That is to say in the article.
  • mariush - Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - link

    These guys are already working on ThunderX2 (54 cores, 3 Ghz , 14nm , ARMv8) and they already have functional chips : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei9uVskwPNE
  • Meteor2 - Thursday, June 16, 2016 - link

    It's always jam tomorrow, isn't it? Intel is working on new chips too, you know.
  • beginner99 - Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - link

    It loses very clearly in performance/watt to Xeon-D. In this segment the lower price doesn't matter in that case and the fact that it has a process disadvantage doesn't matter either. What counts is the end result. And I doubt it would cost $800 if made on 14/16nm. I mean why would anyone buying this take the risk? Safer bet to go with Intel also due to more flexible use (single and multi threaded). The latency issue is mentioned but downplayed.
  • blaktron - Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - link

    So downplayed. Anandtech desperately wants ARM servers, but its a solution looking for a problem. Big web front ends running on bare metal are such a small percentage of the server market that developing for it seems stupid. Xeon-D was already in development for SANs, they just repurposed it for docker and nginx.
  • Senti - Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - link

    Very nice article. I especially liked the emphasis on relations of test numbers and real world workloads and what was problematic during the testing.

    It would be great to see the same style desktop CPU review (Zen?) form you instead of mix of reprinted marketing hype with silly benchmark numbers dump that plagues this site for quite some time now.

    Some annoying typos here and there, like "It is clear that the ThunderX is a match for high frequency trading", but nothing really bad.

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