The past few months have been a bit interesting on the mobile side of the fence for NVIDIA. Starting with the R346 drivers (347.09 beta and later), NVIDIA apparently decided to lock down overclocking of their mobile GPUs. While this is basically a non-issue for the vast majority of users, for the vocal minority of enthusiasts the reaction has been understandably harsh. Accusations have ranged from “bait and switch” (e.g. selling a laptop GPU that could be overclocked and then removing that “feature”) to “this is what happens when there’s no competition”, and everything in between.

NVIDIA for their part has had a few questionable posts as well, at one point stating that overclocking was just “a bug introduced into our drivers” – a bug that has apparently been around for how many years now? And with a 135MHz overclocking limit no less…. But there’s light at the end of the tunnel, as NVIDIA has now posted that they will be re-enabling overclocking with their next driver update, due in March. So that’s the brief history, but let’s talk about a few other aspects of what all of this means.

First and foremost, anyone that claims enabling/disabling overclocking of mobile GPUs is going to have a huge impact on NVIDIA’s bottom line is, in my view, spouting hyperbole and trying to create a lot of drama. I understand there are people that want this feature, and that’s fine, but for every person that looks at overclocking a mobile GPU there are going to be 100 more (1000 more?) that never give overclocking a first thought, let alone a second one. And for many of those people, disabling overclocking entirely isn't really a bad idea – a way to protect the user from themselves, basically. I also don’t think that removing overclocking was ever done due to the lack of competition, though it might have had a small role to play. At most, I think NVIDIA might have disabled overclocking because it’s a way to keep people from effectively turning a GTX 780M into a GTX 880M, or the current GTX 980M into a… GTX 1080M (or whatever they call the next version).

NVIDIA’s story carries plenty of weight with me, as I’ve been reviewing and helping people with laptops for over a decade. Their initial comment was, “Overclocking is by no means a trivial feature, and depends on thoughtful design of thermal, electrical, and other considerations. By overclocking a notebook, a user risks serious damage to the system that could result in non-functional systems, reduced notebook life, or many other effects.” This is absolutely true, and I’ve seen plenty of laptops where the GPU has failed after 2-3 years of use, and that’s without overclocking. I've also seen a few GTX 780M notebooks where running at stock speeds isn't 100% stable, especially for prolonged periods of time. Sometimes it’s possible to fix the problem; many people simply end up buying a new laptop and moving on, disgruntled at the OEM for building a shoddy notebook.

For users taking something like a Razer Blade and trying to overclock the GPU, I also think pushing the limits of the hardware beyond what the OEM certified is just asking for trouble. Gaming GPUs and “thin and light” are generally at opposite ends of the laptop spectrum, and in our experience the laptops can already get pretty toasty while gaming. So if you have a laptop that is already nearing the throttling point, overclocking the GPU is going to increase the potential of throttling or potentially even damage the hardware. Again, I’ve seen enough failed laptops that there’s definitely an element of risk – many laptops seem to struggle to run reliably for more than 2-3 years under frequent gaming workloads, so increasing the cooling demands is just going to exacerbate the problem.

On the other hand, if you have a large gaming notebook with a lot of cooling potential and the system generally doesn't get hot, sure, it’s nice to be able to push the hardware a bit further if you want. Built-in throttling features should also protect the hardware from any immediate damage. We don’t normally investigate overclocking potential on notebooks as it can vary even between units of the same model, and in many cases it voids the warranty, but enthusiasts are a breed apart. My personal opinion is that for a gaming laptop, you should try to keep GPU temperatures under 85C to be safe (which is what most OEMs tend to target); when laptops exceed that “safe zone” (with or without overclocking), I worry about the long-term reliability prospects. If you have a GPU that’s running at 70C under load, however, you can probably reliably run the clocks at the maximum +135MHz that NVIDIA allows.

We’re currently in the process of testing a couple of gaming notebooks, and given the timing of this we’re going to use this as an opportunity to try some overclocking – with the older 344.75 drivers for now. We’ll have a separate article digging into the overclocking results later, but again I’d urge users to err on the side of caution rather than trying to redline your mobile GPU. What that means in practice is that mobile GPU overclocking is mostly going to be of use for people with larger gaming notebooks – generally the high-end Alienware, ASUS, Clevo, and MSI models. There may be other laptops where you can squeeze out some extra performance (e.g. some models with GTX 850M/860M, or maybe even some older GT 750M laptops), but keep an eye on the thermals if you want to go that route.

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  • RazrLeaf - Friday, February 20, 2015 - link

    I'm really surprised the Nvidia actually listened to the very vocal minority in this instance, given the knows risks of overclocking in a notebook and the very few people that do it. Reply
  • Flunk - Friday, February 20, 2015 - link

    Well, given the conditions they lose very little from allowing it either. Reply
  • Cakefish - Saturday, February 21, 2015 - link

    Exactly! Let us 'very few people' have our fun :) Reply
  • WorldWithoutMadness - Saturday, February 21, 2015 - link

    They got nothing to lose anyway. They will put disclaimer that they hold no responsibility or whatsoever for using it. They will also gain more profit by selling more because overclocking = decrease lifetime law. Reply
  • chlamchowder - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link

    I for one am very doubtful there are significant risks involved. If your cooling isn't adequate, the chip might throttle, defeating your overclock. If the chip you have isn't a good sample, you might get random errors/crashes and would have to pull back the clock speed. With the safeguards built into chips today, it's nearly impossible to damage hardware by overclocking.

    More severe consequences like thermal shutdown (causing you to lose unsaved work), happen only when the heatsink is so clogged with dust that air can barely get through. But in those cases, you'd have problems at stock speeds anyways. And the few reports I've seen of totally bricked laptops have come from BIOS modding. Unless you're doing that, I see just about zero risk from overclocking.
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  • WinterCharm - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link

    A few of us have notebooks with the thermal design robust enough to overlock and simultaneously undervolt a GPU by about 25% on the core clock, and 19% on the memory clock, and run it stably, going 3 years strong now. :)

    Plays battlefield really nicely, too :)

    A few of us love pushing our machines as far as they'll go and don't mind willingly taking the risks to do so. Let us have our fun.
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  • r3loaded - Friday, February 20, 2015 - link

    If you really need more performance than what your mobile GPU offers, you really should buy a desktop. There's a reason these chunky boxes still exist. Reply
  • JarredWalton - Friday, February 20, 2015 - link

    Yes and no... the latest GTX 980M GPUs are very impressive and tend to handle 1080p "Max" settings in nearly every game. Where they fall short, it's often not by much, so being able to bump things up another 10% or so might be enough to hit 60 FPS. Still, I definitely see where NVIDIA is coming from, and I wonder how many GPUs/notebooks have had to be serviced after GPU overheating problems (with or without overclocking). The old GeForce Go 8000 series has likely left a bad taste in a few people's mouths, and NVIDIA would be better to err on the side of caution than to risk a repeat of that. Reply
  • Khenglish - Friday, February 20, 2015 - link

    With the power and thermal limits I do not see disabling overclocking as having any significant impact on device longevity. Yes a few extra degrees may cause a BGA solder joint to fail sooner, but like you said, many fail without ever being overclocked. I have repaired several bad BGAs on GPUs, and I consistently find that the user never cleaned their GPU radiator after years of use, which I feel is a much bigger issue than extra stress from overclocking.

    In addition, prior to overclocking being disabled, overvolting was disabled, and the overclock was limited to 135MHz in the vBIOS, which often on the 980m would be throttled back to stock of lower due to the power limit. The only way to overclock cards significantly since the 680m required flashing a modified vBIOS. Flashing a modified vBIOS with higher clocks would still overclock even with overclocking disabled in the driver, but disabling it in the driver made overclocking more of a hassle and harder to tweak just right.

    With Nvidia reverting to just allowing a 135MHz overclock with no voltage or power limit control on stock vBIOS, I feel they are striking a good balance with keeping uninformed users from pushing their hardware too hard unknowingly, while still allowing the enthusiasts to flash a modified vBIOS to reach very high overclocks if desired.
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  • MrSpadge - Friday, February 20, 2015 - link

    Is that the way they're going to do it? Allow OC but fix the power and thermal limits? If yes: that's exactly the way it should be! No harm done unless you cross the stability border, yet the freedom to exploit whatever headroom the chip lottery gave you. Reply

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