AMD Compatibility with Recent Titles

Along with performance, we also need to discuss compatibility for the recent releases. In something of a surprise, considering the AMD driver date and the release dates of the various games, we actually managed to run all of the games without major issues on both laptops. However, application based switching didn’t always work for AMD, requiring us to use manual switching in a few instances. There was also at least one instance where manual switching had problems, requiring us to use dynamic switching. We’ll have a video and additional discussion of our concerns with the AMD UI and switchable graphics implementation on the next page, but here’s how the games stack up in terms of compatibility for both AMD and NVIDIA.

In the “works as expected” category, Duke Nukem Forever, Portal 2, and The Witcher 2 all ran without any noteworthy issues. Deus Ex: Human Revolution also ran fine, but there was no way to use application-based switching and have it run on the Intel IGP (no loss, really). The same problem occurred with DiRT 3, but with a few extra glitches. First, there was a black border on the right side of the screen—approximately 80 or so pixels wide—that shouldn’t be there; it was present regardless of resolution and even in windowed mode. Second, in manual switching mode DiRT 3 did not render properly in full screen viewing, but worked in a window. Running in a window is not a good solution, so this is a pretty serious glitch. Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition on the other hand ran fine on the IGP in dynamic mode, but on the dGPU the models wouldn’t animate properly and in general the game was unplayable. The workaround is to use manual switching (which may or may not be supported on all laptops—Sony’s VAIO C supports it, and HP added the fixed function switching option in an updated BIOS for the dv6/dv7 laptops), after which the game runs properly. Also worth noting is that a few titles appear to run somewhat faster in manual switching mode, SSF4 and SC2 being two examples.

Besides the above six “new” titles, it’s important to note that all OpenGL titles are currently unsupported by dynamic switching (e.g. Enemy Territory: Quake Wars, Minecraft, presumably Rage when it launches, and as far as we know all other OpenGL apps/games). The workaround is to use fixed function (manual) switching, similar to what we had to do for Street Fighter IV—which means you’ll want to make sure your laptop supports manual switching in some form. AMD informs us that they have a working solution for OpenGL dynamic switching, but it isn’t fully tested yet. It should come out in an updated driver, hopefully before the end of this year (*cough* Rage *cough*). Then we’ll need to see Sony and HP (and anyone else using AMD switchable graphics) to release their own updated driver, and this feels like more of a question of “if” rather than “when”.

NVIDIA Compatibility and Thoughts

All of our discussions so far have centered on AMD’s Dynamic Switchable Graphics implementation and any problems we encountered. What about NVIDIA’s Optimus Technology? First, we immediately note that NVIDIA is at an advantage here, since the 280.26 WHQL drivers we used are only a month old (and there’s a new 285.27 beta driver from last week available now). While our testing is by no means fully comprehensive, so far the only issue we encountered out of the 16+ tested games is in Total War: Shogun 2. The game runs fine, but we are unable to select the Very High preset. Our best guess is that the game is querying the Intel IGP/drivers and limiting a few settings based on the detected capabilities. (We saw a similar issue in the older Empire: Total War in the past, except the last we checked it was limited to the Medium preset.) For someone with a high-end laptop (e.g. GTX 580M), the Very High settings might be desirable, but for 99% of laptops you’ll need to run at High or even Medium settings to get acceptable performance from Shogun 2. Overall, NVIDIA’s Optimus Technology is clearly the more mature and easier to use dynamic switching technology right now.

The only area I can come up with where Optimus isn’t desirable is if you want to run Linux, which isn’t high on NVIDIA’s list of priorities right now—in fact, they’ve said they’re not even going to bother trying to make Optimus work with Linux. This doesn’t make AMD’s switchable graphics solution superior in Linux, unless something has changed and the AMD drivers (or the open-source initiative for AMD GPUs) have improved since the last time we looked. I also have no idea whether AMD’s Dynamic Switchable Graphics works under Linux; it appears that AMD is doing some extra work in their drivers to make things run under Windows, so they might have the same issue as Optimus under Linux. I can’t say it really matters to me either way, as I don’t run Linux, but if you do feel free to add in your comments on which GPU vendor is better, and any information on how the switchable graphics solutions fare. My hunch is that a discrete-only NVIDIA GPU is still the way to go, and if you’re really into Linux the old-style manual switchable graphics with muxes is the better solution.

Summary of Compatibility

Our list of tested titles is obviously limited—I’m only one person, and even with a month of testing there’s only so much I can do—but so far we have yet to find a title that absolutely would not work on either the Sony or Acer laptops. For Acer (NVIDIA Optimus), nearly all games/applications worked without any extra fiddling, but you may need to manually add newer titles (or wait for NVIDIA to release a profile update). On Optimus, the only choice is to run in dynamic switching mode, but that’s generally fine because it works so well. On AMD, depending on the game you might need to select either dynamic switching or manual switching, and if you’re playing multiple games (or using some other GPU enabled application) you will very likely have to go back and forth during the course of a day of gaming. That may sound reasonable, but a lot of users want something that just works without a bunch of extra fussing around, and AMD is coming up short in that area. So, let’s go through changes and annoyances we’ve experienced in testing the Sony VAIO C, specifically as it relates to AMD’s switchable graphics.

What about Recent Games? Sony's Driver Snafu and AMD UI Concerns
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  • tipoo - Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - link

    "The bigger issue of course is that AMD needs to get their laptop partners—Sony in this case—to release regular driver updates, and to use up-to-date driver builds when laptops launch."

    AMD now lets you get laptop drivers from their own site, and they are always as up to date as the desktop ones. Unless Sony opted out of that for whatever reason?
  • OCedHrt - Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - link

    These drivers do not work for switchable graphics. nVidia had the same issue before Optimus.
  • orangpelupa - Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - link

    the driver is work for switchable graphic.

    my acer laptop with switchable intel + HD Mobility 5650 is updateable.

    use the 11-8_mobility_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc.exe
    not the a few KB .exe auto detector from ATi. This app is useless.

    but if failed to install using the main almost 100MB .exe, usually it stil can be isntalled using modded .inf.

    just make sure to Switch to dGPU mode before running any installation driver.
  • orangpelupa - Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - link

    modded inf and the download link for mobility 11.8 generic ATi
    http://wp.me/pyhfN-m1
  • The0ne - Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - link

    I wouldn't say useless as the full package download refuses to installed properly on my M17xR2 and the only way for the driver to work is for me to use their auto detector and downloader. This for some reason downloads a slightly different package (size is less I believe) but it works.
  • mfenn - Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - link

    Did you even read the article? Jarred mentioned that they did on several occasions. Hell, he even devoted an entire page to the issue!
  • mczak - Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - link

    I'm wondering if you can still "make your own driver". This is exactly what I did for a Thinkpad T400 with switchable graphics, since the provided driver was so old and buggy. The "monolithic" driver isn't really all that monolithic, it basically consists of a standard AMD mobility driver (which you just can download if you have the real download link) plus a standard intel driver in the same package. Though the .inf file needs to be hacked up.
    (So I used an old switchable driver to see what the .inf looked like, plus a new intel and amd mobility driver to make up the new version - worked quite ok except some driver signing warnings, and some bogus mux-switching upon suspend/resume with multimon though I don't think this worked before neither.)
    I'd venture a guess and suspect this would still work with the muxless solutions, but it's a huge pain in the ass obviously and AMD really needs to fix this and just have drivers which work on all mobile gpus, the OEMs will NEVER get it right otherwise, they won't care if AMD gives them new drivers monthly or not they will simply not bother to supply updated drivers.
  • bjacobson - Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - link

    even if they up to date, that's no guarantee that they're going to work for the first 6 or so months. I've never had much luck getting everything on AMD to work the first time-- crossfire with dual monitors doesn't work on 2x 5770 with Quake Wars : Enemy Territory (had to disable the 2nd display); alt-tab still doesn't work in Unreal Tournament 3 without crashing the game (not in crossfire, just 1x4890); and it took them several months after switching their user interface to that new one to package back in the under/overscan ability on the embedded graphics that came on the motherboard we used for our HTPC...just lots of stuff that's always 95% complete with 5% broken that ends up being really annoying.

    IE, I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in between suspend, hibernate, plugging in an external monitor, and this dynamic GPU solution, that something won't work quite right for about 6 months...but that's just my gut speaking judging by what I've seen before. I'm a big fan of underdogs and still cheer for AMD, but I do have to say Nvidia's drivers (since about 8800GT which is as early as my experience goes) have simply worked with all those quirky setups we needed and didn't end up breaking later when installing an updated driver.
  • OCedHrt - Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - link

    I've always had to overscan/underscan available as an option for integrated graphics for the last 2 years+. Yet I've always had problems with nVidia, especially on stability. I don't think the stability is always tied directly to the gpu and drivers.
  • Aloonatic - Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - link

    Is that just for more recent mobility radeon systems?

    Just the other day, I was looking to update a laptop with a 4570, but it wouldn't update anything other than the good old CCC.

    (I was a Dell Studio 17, by the way :o) )

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