As we continue to receive more information about Alderwood (also known as i925X), we continue to hear disappointing news about the upcoming product launch. Recently, motherboard manufacturers have confirmed with us that 925X will not launch with ECC support as originally planned. We have previously stated that while 915 supports DDR2 and DDR1, 925X supports only DDR2 memory. Thus, the lack of initial ECC support on 925X will only affect DDR2 ECC memory.

From what manufacturers tell us, the B-0 stepping of 925X in production samples currently has an "intermittent issue which occurs under certain boundary conditions." Since the B-1 stepping of 925X have already been taped out, ECC support will be disabled. The next 925X stepping, B-2, will support ECC again but does ship until after the June 15th launch. According to the Intel roadmaps, we should see ECC support for 925X launch around July; although the B-1 chipset will obviously linger around for some time. If ECC is important to you and you aniticipate buying a 925X board, know in advance which stepping the board uses.

Unfortunately, it also seems that Intel's Nocona (800FSB IA-32e processors) have also been delayed until Q3'04. x86-64 computing for Intel will have to wait a few more months it seems.

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  • raskren - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - link



    Please list some of these "design and operational defects" for us naive sheep without a clue.

    Thank you."

    That's what I thought (no response). Either put up or shut up.
  • Viditor - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - link

    Trog - "First, there's no market for either right now, so who cares?"

    Agreed on 925x, but Nocona could have a fairly large (relatively speaking) demand. The delay means that Dell must wait another quarter before offering 64/32-bit blade servers, and it allows Opteron to garner that much more market penetration...
  • TrogdorJW - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - link

    Actually, bob, I think the Brag Generator is a lot closer to CRAM's posts. You might have better luck using that as the base. For example:

    Whoop! I'm ready! My imagination is a *goddamn* cancer and I'll pork it before it porks me! I've sired dipshits across Asia, I cook and *eat* my dead; *Yip, yip, YEEEEEEE!* I'm the Unshaven Thorn Tree of Hong Kong! I'll drive a mile so as not to walk a foot; I am a Crime Fighting Master Criminal! But YAH-HOOOO! let the gods bear witness! I'm *immune*! I communicate without *wires* or *strings*! I ran 'em out of Heaven and sold it to Hell for a *profit*! I pay no taxes!

    See, just swap the brag statements with Intel insults, and you're done! I would bet that if I created something like this, 99% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the generated CRAM and the "real" one. Does that mean it passes the Turing test for (non) intelligence? :)
  • bobsmith1492 - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - link

    heh... a CRAMITPAL generator! Not a bad idea... Check this site out for inspiration. (:
  • TrogdorJW - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - link

    I'm seriously beginning to wonder whether or not CRAM is a real person. Honestly, I bet I could write a "CRAMITPAL" application that would just hit the new news and article posts on a website like AT and post the same drivel over and over. Not worth the effort for me, but maybe it would be for an AMD employee?

    All you have to do is randomly select about five to ten sentences that insult Intel and anyone that uses Intel processors. And of course you need to have Prescott called PressedShit, P4EE gets called the Enima Edition, a few lines about flamethrowers and sheep, and you're done.

    That might be a great assignment for a programming class. :) And to the guy that said CRAM "is usually intelligent".... what planet are you from? Point me to ONE intelligent CRAM post. I'm pretty sure they only exist in an alternate universe.

    Back to the subject of the 925X and Nocoma delays. First, there's no market for either right now, so who cares? The only people running Prescott 3.4 and P4EE 3.4 (and FX-51 and FX-53 for that matter) are hardware review sites. DDR2 and PCIe will fall into that same category for 2004, I think. I mean, AMD isn't even releasing PCIe support until the end of the year at earliest, I think, and DDR2 is further out. Intel is just prepping the market for the real rollout in 2005, I think.

    The same goes for Nocoma. Any coincidence that MS delays XP-64 and a few days later Intel delays Nocoma? Unlike the conspiracy theorists, though, I think it's MS delaying due to bugs and such, and Intel isn't going to release an IA-32e/AMD64 platform until XP-64 is released. They've states all along that they'll "have hardware when the software platform is ready", and so MS's delays just gives them more time to work on the hardware. Just my thoughts.
  • Anemone - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - link

    And now I read that Intel is locking down overclocking to 12%. We've long known they've been not openly in favor of overclocking, even though their cpu's do it so well. But making their chipsets openly hostile to overclockers, that is not a good thing.

    I'll not argue how big this segment is, but you're welcome to if you like. I will say however there is a lot of high end pc stuff that sells pretty much exclusively to this set of people and that those people then wave the flag in forums on good equipment and bad. Making their lives difficult or your product hostile to them is not a very good idea. But Intel seems to be full of not so good ideas lately...

  • KristopherKubicki - Monday, April 12, 2004 - link


    Specific timings are hard to find. You dont have many options.

  • Phiro - Monday, April 12, 2004 - link

    He just meant they don't get as many free samples as non-registered from ram makers.
  • SUOrangeman - Monday, April 12, 2004 - link

    #15, Kristopher-

    Registered RAM is hard to find? TSK, TSK, TSK! I'll admint, it's not cheap. But that does not mean that it is hard to find.
  • GonzoDaGr8 - Monday, April 12, 2004 - link

    Has anyone ever noticed that CRAMITPAL seems to get in the first lick on topics that are against Intel and then dissapears? Almost never posting twice in the same thread? Odd stuff from an odd individual(Or kid, I'm guessing).

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