As a short side piece from our in depth review on Intel's 6th Generation Core processors, codename Skylake, the well-known overclocker Splave has posted some very interesting images on the processor itself. We confirmed we are free to use the pictures below from him.


Image from Splave

First up is an image of the Skylake i7 silicon die on package. With our trusty interpolation measuring skills, the die area for the GT2 enabled quad core system comes out at 9.05 mm by 13.52 mm, or 122.4 square mm. Let's put this into perspective with other dies:

CPU Specification Comparison
CPU Process
Node
Cores GPU Transistor
Count
(Schematic)
Die Size
Intel Skylake GT2 4C 14nm 4 GT2 ? 122.4mm2
Intel Broadwell-H GT3e 4C 14nm 4 GT3e ? ?
Intel Haswell-E 8C 22nm 8 N/A 2.6B 356mm2
Intel Haswell GT2 4C 22nm 4 GT2 1.4B 177mm2
Intel Haswell ULT GT3 2C 22nm 2 GT3 1.3B 181mm2
Intel Ivy Bridge-E 6C 22nm 6 N/A 1.86B 257mm2
Intel Ivy Bridge 4C 22nm 4 GT2 1.2B 160mm2
Intel Sandy Bridge-E 6C 32nm 6 N/A 2.27B 435mm2
Intel Sandy Bridge 4C 32nm 4 GT2 995M 216mm2
Intel Lynnfield 4C 45nm 4 N/A 774M 296mm2
AMD Trinity 4C 32nm 4 7660D 1.303B 246mm2
AMD Vishera 8C 32nm 8 N/A 1.2B 315mm2

This makes Skylake the smallest die size for a quad core desktop processor from Intel we have seen, and that is including the integrated graphics in that calcualtion. Depending on the exact architectural details, previously in Haswell the die area was a near even split for cores and graphics after the L3 cache and IO functions (PCIe, Memory, DMI) were removed. 

We won't know exact transistor numbers until they are disclosed at Intel's Developer Forum in mid-August, as well as a false color image die shot to show how much die area the main parts of the architecture are using. Although given the similarity to Haswell in terms of feature set (it seems to be similar with a few minor additions such as fixed function units, slightly different libraries, dual memory channels, DMI 3.0, etc.), if we take the number of transistors that GT2 Haswell had (1.4 billion) and put them in the die area we measure from the image, this comes out to a 11.4 million transistors per mm2.

Die size aside, Skylake also has a substantially thinner package than Devil's Canyon:


Image from Splave


Image from PCWatch

According to PCWatch, the package thickness of the Core i7-4770K is 1.1mm, compared to 0.8mm for Skylake. This is a direct result of using fewer PCB layers, and here we count five for Skylake and eight for Haswell.

There could be several reasons for this. The removal of the fully integrated voltage regulator (FIVR) might reduce the number of PCB layers for power planes. The nature of the 14nm die might facilitate a thinner package as well. The cynical answer is that it is used to drive down cost. In the motherboard industry, a PCB with more layers is substantially more expensive but simplifies design when there are more features - there's also a side argument if more layers or fewer layers is better for overclocking. If we transplant this thinking to the processor, it becomes a balance of cost vs. complexity. Either way, the retail price of the processor is still relatively consistent with the previous iterations. Another thought to add to the mix would be if Intel has plans in the works to launch higher end processors based on Skylake (Kaby Lake?) in the future. The slight change in Intel's processor naming scheme (4770K to 6700K, as in 70K to 00K) also points to the potential move later in the lifetime of the product. The only hint in the naming scheme from Intel is that the 'processor numbering reflects that these processors belong to the 6th Gen Intel Core family'.

The thinness of the package has implications for removing the lid/heatspreader of the processor as well. Splave notes that previous heatspreader methods involving force, such as vices that were common during Haswell's tenure, may not be appropriate due to the thinness of Skylake. Splave shows an image of a failed attempt by another user on a Skylake CPU:


Image from Splave

Instead, a razor method (and something warm such as a hairdryer or the bean bags that iFixit uses to warm up glue in smartphones to take them apart) to cut through the black adhesive between the package and the IHS is suggested and it what was used for the CPU above. As there are no FIVR resistors to worry about on the top of the package, the first resistance a razor blade will encounter after the black adhesive is the silicon die itself. All that being said, over at PCWatch they successfully have used a vice method.


Image from Splave

Interestingly the heatspreader for Skylake is heavier than that from Haswell by nearly 20%, moving up from 22g to 26g. Given the copper mass that usually sits on a high end processor this should not matter much, although basic aluminium coolers might see a small benefit here by virtue of the minor extra mass. This might also just be that the mounting requirements for Haswell and Skylake are the same, and the extra mass comes from the added z-height required to maintain the mounting as before. 

So why are we talking about removing the heatspreader? Back with Haswell (as well as Ivy Bridge to a degree), it was discovered that the thermal interface material between the silicon die and the heatspreader was both an insufficient amount and lower quality than previous generations, as well as the heatspreader being far away from the CPU due to the black adhesive, causing more air bubbles and poorer heat transfer than is optimal. For a stock processor, this difference has little effect to the use of the system, but for overclockers it meant that they were more thermally limited than silicon limited with their overclocking.


Image courtesy of Idontcare

Devil's Canyon changed that - here was a better binned Haswell processor with a higher quality package, giving a ten degrees cooler system at load. It is worth noting that previously on certain platforms Intel had been providing a mixed metal interface (generalized as a soldered interface) between the silicon and the heatspreader, which is the best but most expensive option. If the cost of the interface is reduced by 0.1 cents, then that's a significant saving on millions of processors. Devil's Canyon was a small subset of sales, so spending that extra for that specific crowd could be seen as beneficial to Intel's perspective by overclockers.


Image from PCWatch

To paraphrase Splave again, he comments that the thermal paste (TIM)o n his Skylake is certainly worse than that of Devil's Canyon. If the extra mass on the IHS is coming from a taller heatspreader (by virtue of the smaller package substrate), then more TIM is needed otherwise there will be substantial air bubbling of the TIM between the CPU and the heatspreader. By replacing his own thermal paste and resecuring the heatspreader, he saw an 18°C drop in temperatures at his highest air overclock with the old paste (5.1 GHz at 1.48 volts) - from 96ºC that overheated to 78ºC on the warmest core. An 18°C drop is immense. Under those conditions, and based on rough testing not published in our Skylake review, it could equal another 100-400 MHz depending on the quality of the processor. PCWatch confirms that switching out the paste with CoolLaboratory’s Liquid Pro (a liquid metal adhesion interface) reduced temperatures at 4.6 GHz from 88ºC to 68ºC


Image from PCWatch

This throws up some questions - is this just a result of design decisions for cost, or is there a Devil's Canyon type processor coming later in the design cycle?

Source: Overclock.net, PCWatch

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  • Beaver M. - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link

    What? People still delidded it, because LM would still offer a huge improvement in temps. Reply
  • jjj - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link

    Their total costs for Skylake could be as low as 10$. Really that's about the lowest realistic costs. It's more likely about 2x that and could be even plenty more if yields are not that good. There isn't much info about their costs and yields but there is some info about the costs at foundries so if Intel is not a lot less efficient one can make some guesses. Reply
  • ImSpartacus - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link

    Are you talking bom?

    Intel has lots of overhead, you know.
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  • jjj - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link

    Yes i am talking cost so BOM, it's pretty much the same thing here.
    Their financial model is similar to other semi companies except they have much higher margins enabled by the lack of competition. Lets say a standard model for a semi company would be 50% gross margins,20% R&D, 10% others and 20% operating margins. In 2014 Intel had 55,87B revenue,gross margins were at about 64%, R&D close to 20%.. Selling ,general and admin was a bit high at 15% and operating income was some 27.5% so plenty high. And that's overall, including the many billions spent on getting rid of tablet chips. In PC and server their numbers are much better. Not to mention that volumes are going down , die sizes are going down, yet they manage to keep margins way high.
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  • Xenonite - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link

    Actually, that's not how big publicly traded companies work. They optimise their selling price to make the most money possible (obviously). Now, if the price has already been optimised, then adding even a single cent would be suboptimal, leading to less cumulative revenue.

    If, however, they are able to reduce their total manufacturing cost per unit by a single cent, then they can either adjust their selling price (if the reduced cost has made it sub optimal for the metric it was optimised for) or keep it as-is and just make a few million more at the end of the day.

    You need to remember: the shareholders that invest in a company like Intel do not care about the advancement of personal computation; most don't even own at least a 0.4 HorsePower (300 Watts) computer. It is exactly the same mechanic that keeps single-threaded performace/clock rates/powerfullness at basically the same place year after year, just viewed from a different perspective.
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  • Samus - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link

    It also seems like something that could bite them in the ass in the near future. If the thermal material is that bad it will break down even at stock speeds fairly quickly, possibly within warranty for systems running in poor environments (warehouses, factory floors, etc) where the ambient temp is high and the system will be prone to constant thermal throttling. Reply
  • MrSpadge - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link

    The K CPUs are already 20 - 40$ more expensive, just for the "service" of not locking them. People are fine with that, as the unlocked CPUs provide a lot more value to some. But wouldn't it be cool if you actually got anything better from Intel for that additional money? Apply liquid metal for the ultimate heat transfer (it's safe under the IHS) and charge 10$ more. Many people would be really happy to buy this. Reply
  • grrrgrrr - Monday, August 17, 2015 - link

    Judging from die size 6700K should have been mid-ranged, obviously not worth spending money on that. Reply
  • Wardrop - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link

    Question, is it unwise to take off the heat spreader and simply leave it off? What are the considerations in doing that? Reply
  • Gothmoth - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link

    that´s actually a great idea! try it!! Reply

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