AMD FX-8370E Conclusion

Since the bygone days of the GHz wars, energy efficiency is now a key part in any x86 CPU manufacturer handbook. When designing a CPU, parts can be engineered to either be all-out guns blazing on performance, or it can strike a balance between performance and power. When AMD first announced the FX-9590, it was presumed that the Vishera architecture was the former, given the large power increase to get to 5 GHz with turbo. That same principle comes across in these new energy efficient processors, especially when the FX-8370E is 700 MHz less than the FX-8370 it tries to emulate for a 30W decrease.

Trying to have an energy efficient part of an architecture that loves high frequency at the expense of power is an odd scenario, one borne from the initial production of motherboards that supported these processors. When there were only 95W and 125W CPUs to worry about, motherboards were made to only cope with this setting, until 220W CPUs hit the ecosystem. These 95W parts allow AMD to offer an upgrade path to an 8-thread machine without replacing the motherboard. The fact that AMD is going this far might suggest they have some strong data that a user would more likely replace a CPU than a motherboard. Admittedly replacing a CPU usually requires a BIOS update or less, whereas upgrading a motherboard is a bigger ordeal.

In terms of absolute performance, the FX-8370E sits somewhere between the FX-6350, FX-8150 and FX-8350. The multi-core performance puts it ahead of the FX-6350 CPU, but the single core performance can juggle around with all three, sometimes between the FX-8150 and FX-8350 due to the generational gap but often on par with the FX-8150. The same goes with gaming, where it competed with the FX-8150 near the bottom of our charts. The new FX-8370, the non-E part, should come out a clear winner over the FX-8350, so it stands to reason that the FX-8370E sits below them both due to the base frequency difference.

For competition against Intel, the nearest sets of numbers we have are the i3-4330, i3-4360 and the i5-4690, positioned well below and above the price point respectively. Intel wins hands down on the single threaded performance, even against the FX-9590, although having access to 8 threads on the FX-8000/9000 series is becoming more important for tasks like compression, multi-threaded web browsing and media creation.

AMD’s ideal scenario is a gamer using a combination of an FX-8370E ($200) with, for example, an MSI 970 Gaming motherboard ($90) and an R9 285 GPU ($250). Altogether this would cost around $540 for the start of an 8-thread system. This will do fine in gaming at 1080p, and the parallel to draw is that this performs the same as an FX-8150, but at lower power. It is a shame that the FX-8150 came out in October 2011, and nearly three years later we are saving only 30 watts of TDP (24%) and $45 on release price difference (18%) for the same performance on what should be the flagship line for a major x86 manufacturer.  

At the end of the day, AMD needs to upgrade the architecture (and the chipset). At some point the architectures of the FX and APU line either need to diverge their separate ways, or there needs to be a hard earned reconciliation attempt to find a node and a manufacturing process suitable for both low power graphics cores and high frequency processor cores. We know about AMD's plans for 2016, dealing with ARM and x86, and the announcements on K12 so far point to AMD targeting servers, embedded markets and ultra low power client devices. Here's hoping desktop side gets a good boost.

 

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  • mrdude - Tuesday, September 2, 2014 - link

    No, no they haven't. Keller has stated that a new 'high performance architecture' is in the works, and that it will be an x86 variant but nothing outside of that. Bear in mind that AMD still considers Vishera a 'high performance architecture', so that statement has no meaning.
  • Germanicus - Tuesday, September 2, 2014 - link

    There is no question your bashing and trolling.
  • mrdude - Tuesday, September 2, 2014 - link

    Yep. Me with my 5870 and 955 Deneb that I bought several years ago, still waiting, bashing and trolling for an upgrade.

    Here's the link to Jim Keller's interview:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOTFE7sJY-Q
  • Germanicus - Tuesday, September 2, 2014 - link

    Watched it already.
  • TiGr1982 - Tuesday, September 2, 2014 - link

    Stop hoping for AMD and buy/build a modern Intel desktop i5/i7 config, e.g. as I did last year.
    It will be around twice as fast as Deneb - I owned Deneb 940 (used at 3.4 GHz) in the past, so I'm comparing from my own experience.
  • mrdude - Tuesday, September 2, 2014 - link

    I have both a Sandy Bridge and a Haswell laptop as my daily drivers. The desktop just sort of sits there soaking up files :P I've long since gotten over my AMD love affair. It's been a long time since the T-bred and Barton days.
  • duploxxx - Wednesday, September 3, 2014 - link

    twice as fast, yeah right go figure.... So now you just read this article twice as fast???

    the issue with review sites is theoretical benchmarks, daily use you don't even notice the difference, HD choice and stupid slow Microsoft OS make the difference in daily tasks. In specific multitasking, sure but then again these AMD parts do actually work well and most of these tasks are done in the background anyhow while doing other stuff, so who cares it would take 1min longer.

    So what is the issue? its review benchmark charts and e-penis behaviour.

    Now people start complaining that Intel is deliberatly reducing renew cycles while its consumers own fault choosing the famous jingle and brand. No reason to buy a atom - celeron - pentium or i3 while APU series offer better overall added value.
  • bsim500 - Tuesday, September 2, 2014 - link

    So the "95w" 8-core chip actually runs at 3.3GHz and gets thrashed in 100% of tested games by even a 2-core 54w i3-4360?...

    ...And the faster "125w" 4GHz version pulls an eye-watering (and consistent across multiple tests) +233w under load?

    2009 just called and want their CPU's back...
  • Germanicus - Tuesday, September 2, 2014 - link

    See my comment above.
  • bsim500 - Tuesday, September 2, 2014 - link

    I read your comments above. All you did was declare everyone who didn't fawn over the new chips to be a "troll", dodged a question someone asked then suggested that everyone who buys an Intel chip should "feel dirty" (which is trolling)...

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