Other Technical Details and Performance Expectations

So far we’ve discussed the past and near future of AMD’s Enduro/Switchable Graphics, but we haven’t gone into the technical aspects much. We’ve covered most of this previously (and neither AMD nor NVIDIA provide a ton of detail as to how precisely they’re doing the work), but there are a couple other tidbits we wanted to briefly discuss before wrapping up.

At a high level, all of the display outputs on a laptop now connect to the Intel iGPU, and AMD is able to route their content through the PCIe bus to the embedded graphics and out to the display. Nothing has really changed there; content is copied from the dGPU to the iGPU output in some fashion and you get the ability to switch seamlessly between the two GPUs. We also mentioned earlier that AMD has now removed the need for the active PCIe bus when the GPU is powered down, which drops power use of the dGPU from less than 100mW or so down to 0W.

One thing that hasn’t changed is AMD’s use of Link Adapter Mode (LDA) where NVIDIA uses Multi Adapter Mode, but we now have an explanation of why this difference exists. As far as we could tell, there’s not really an inherent superiority of either mode for general use. The primary reason AMD uses LDA is that they also have a chipset business, where NVIDIA has bowed out of making chipsets. Why this matters is that LDA is what facilitates AMD’s Dual Graphics (formerly Hybrid CrossFire)—the dGPU and the iGPU working together to render a scene. This is less important on Intel platforms, as AMD isn’t trying to do any cooperative rendering with Intel iGPUs; they potentially could in the future if desired, but that seems unlikely given the difficulty of getting even similar GPUs to work together. AMD also indicates that the use of LDA provides full support for Windows 8 Metro applications; I would assume NVIDIA also supports Metro apps, so unless that proves to not be the case (and we should know soon enough), other than Dual Graphics it appears that Enduro and Optimus are essentially at parity in terms of how they function, with software/drivers being the key differentiator.

Something else we’re still waiting to see is the packaging of the new Mobility Catalyst drivers. AMD didn’t provide us with the actual installation files—they installed them for us as they were still in a rather early state. That being the case, we aren’t sure if the Mobility Catalyst drivers for Enduro systems will feature totally independent drivers as far as Intel iGPUs are concerned, but that appears to be the case. If all goes as planned, you will be able to update your AMD dGPU drivers separately from your Intel iGPU drivers without any trouble once the Enduro Catalyst drivers start coming out.

Performance Expectations

AMD let us borrow a Sager notebook for a short time after the preview to test out the new “Enduro 5.5” drivers, and they also helped us install the drivers on a Clevo P170EM system from AVADirect. We’ll be providing a full review with performance data for the P170EM in the near future, but in the meantime we wanted to show off the Sager notebook as well as discuss performance expectations. Here's a rundown of the system specs for the Sager NP9150 along with some photos.

Sager NP9150 / Clevo P150EM Specifications
Processor Intel i7-3720QM
(Quad-core 2.60-3.60GHz, 6MB L3, 22nm, 45W)
Chipset HM77
Memory 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600
Graphics Intel HD 4000
(16 EUs, up to 1250MHz)

AMD Radeon HD 7970M 2GB GDDR5
(1280 cores @ 850MHz, 256-bit 4800MHz RAM)
Display 15.6" WLED Glossy 16:9 1080p (1920x1080)
Storage 180GB Intel 520 SSD
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Price $1919 as configured (9/05/2012)

The Sager unit is their rebranded Clevo P150EM, and it has many of the same design issues that we’ve seen with Clevo in the past. The backlit keyboard with zoned lighting is a new addition, and they’ve tweaked the keyboard layout as well. Interestingly (and frustratingly), while they’ve mostly fixed my complaints with the 10-key layout, they went ahead and screwed up the main keyboard layout. The Windows key is now to the right of the spacebar, and there’s a second backslash key just right of the spacebar. I’m also not a fan of the tactile feedback from the keys, though it’s not terrible. Outside of the keyboard quirks and overly abundant use of plastic for the chassis, though, the performance is certainly there.

We ran through our current suite of games at the native 1080p on the P150EM with settings maxed out in most titles. Total War: Shogun 2 wouldn’t allow us to select Very High settings (a problem we’ve encountered on other systems in the past where the game incorrectly detects the amount of video memory and/or iGPU feature set rather than looking at the dGPU), but otherwise we get very respectable frame rates. Civilization V continues to be a bit sluggish at max settings (around 26FPS), but the brutal Battlefield 3 manages 36FPS and could very easily reach 40+ FPS if you disable 4xMSAA and just use FXAA. Those are the three lowest performing games we tested, with everything else running smoothly in the 45+ FPS range. A quick look at the last GTX 580M system we tested shows performance is better in over half of the games, and slightly lower in the other three titles. We’ll have a second look at the P170EM with a GTX 680M from AVADirect shortly after our full HD 7970M review, though, so stay tuned.

Finally, AMD did inform us that the current drivers aren’t fully optimized for performance (particularly with the 7970M), so we should hopefully see some gains with the final driver release—or if not then, the next release. Performance with GCN architecture desktop cards has been a little erratic since the launch, up until the latest Catalyst 12.7 drivers. I believe that the current beta drivers I’m using also predate 12.7 in some aspects (though they're version 9.0.0.0), so if that’s the case then the official release should clean things up quite a bit.

New for Mid-2012: “Enduro 5.5” Enhancements Closing Thoughts
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  • Seanzky - Friday, September 7, 2012 - link

    They really should take this seriously if they want to stop slipping away from that market share they're dearly hanging on to. There are many like me who shop for the best bang for my buck, but won't hesitate to drop close to a grand just in order to avoid "learning another lesson."
  • dczyz - Thursday, September 6, 2012 - link

    Until they change their driver practice of only the laptop manufacturer supplying the drivers, I will avoid AMD for any switchable solution.
  • kyuu - Thursday, September 6, 2012 - link

    If you read the article, you'd see this is one of the issues that's supposed to be addressed. Anybody with an Enduro laptop should be able to use the generic drivers direct from AMD. This assumes that the OEMs don't make a fuss for whatever stupid reason, but if that happens, that's the OEMs' fault, not AMD's.
  • dczyz - Thursday, September 6, 2012 - link

    I understand that argument, but I dont care :)

    I know that if I go with Nvidia, I can trust them to keep my drivers working and updated. Until AMD makes that commitment, no thanks.
  • Vozier - Thursday, September 6, 2012 - link

    you "trust" Nvidia a bit too much, in the past this hasnt always been the case.
    Dont kick the man in the ground, let it stand back up and fight fair.
    We all know forums are NOT the place to make commitments, it almost always ends up with people yelling back to whatever one says.
    For me is much more reassuring to read a "public announcement" of sorts made by AT an Jarred here. Of course we cant reply or ask questions, but thats not really what we want. We want a working driver, and as long as they work on it I will not ask them to loose time asnwering to every question and complaint.
    I work in a hosting company and, no matter how much people you have, when there is a problem you want to adress it and not loose time trying to explain hundreds of people something not even you have clear at the time.

    The damage is already done, no doubt about that, but lets be patient and hope for the best.

    regards
    Voz
  • extide - Thursday, September 6, 2012 - link

    Lol, obviously you didn't understand, as your EXACT complaint is being addressed!
  • tspacie - Thursday, September 6, 2012 - link

    It's a small thing, but they're not using LDA on the Clevo.
    GPUs can be linked when they are controlled by the same kernel-mode driver. They could use LDA on computers with an AMD iGPU and dGPU, but not when an Intel driver controls the iGPU.
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, September 6, 2012 - link

    You'll have to take that up with AMD, as they specifically told me they use LDA for Enduro on all systems.
  • tspacie - Thursday, September 6, 2012 - link

    Huh. They are either very clever, very strange or very wrong. :)
    Thanks for the response.
  • Wolfpup - Thursday, September 6, 2012 - link

    I keep being blown away that an enthusiast tech site that strives for accuracy like this-that rejected DonutMark for years because it's a joke, and still goes "eh, here's this dumb thing if you want it" would keep pushing Floptimus and AMD's equivalent.

    I have NEVER seen a knowledgeable consumer asking for switchable graphics. It STILL causes all sorts of pain...heck, we're STILL at the point that even with Nvidia, even WITHOUT Optimus, not all notebooks are supported by Nvidia's drivers. Throw Optimus in there and problems just shoot up astronomically. There are forums full of people trying to disable Optimus, flash BIOSes to get rid of it, etc. because of all the problems it brings, and AMD has never been able to match Nvidia's drivers even WITHOUT the complexity of switchable graphics.

    Why the HECK is AMD constantly supporting this garbage? If power draw is really such a big deal, lets get better power gating and the like.

    Heck, Anandtech should be decrying Intel and AMD's integrated graphics solutions entirely. In both cases, they use piles of transistors that could instead be used for extra cores and cache, or even better designs that might be possible with more transistors. OR they could at least cost less and use less power because they're not powering 200 million + transistors of junky video.

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