Conclusion: What Makes a Trinity?

I have often wondered about where AMD came up with the codename Trinity (other than the river name, of course). Was it a reference to this being AMD’s third APU? Or maybe AMD was gunning for the Holy Trinity of Performance, Battery Life, and Cost—get wins in all three areas and you’d have a guaranteed best seller! If that’s what AMD was hoping to accomplish, they’ve got a good foundation but we’ll need to see what the laptop OEMs come up with before issuing a final verdict.

To recap, Trinity is AMD’s continued journey down the path they started with Llano. Both CPU and GPU performance have improved over Llano. The general purpose CPU performance gap vs. Intel is somewhere in the 20—25% range, while the GPU advantage continues to be significantly in AMD's favor. It is surprising that Intel's HD 4000 is able to win even in some tests, but overall AMD continues to deliver better GPU performance even compared to Ivy Bridge. It's worth pointing out that the concerns about AMD's battery life from a few years ago are now clearly put to rest. At least at the TDPs we've tested, AMD is easily competitive with Intel on battery life.

AMD's GPU accelerated software lineup this time around is significantly better than it was with Llano, but we're still not quite where we need to be yet. I will hand it to AMD though, progress is clearly being made. Battery life is generally a step forward vs. Llano, which is more than we've been able to say about Ivy Bridge thus far.

The improvements in Piledriver really appear to have saved Trinity. What was a very difficult to recommend architecture in AMD's FX products has really been improved to the point where it's suitable for mobile work. AMD couldn't push performance as aggressively as it would have liked given that it's still on a 32nm process and the APU needs to make money. A move to 2x-nm could help tremendously. Similarly the move to a more efficient VLIW4 GPU architecture and additional tuning helped give AMD a boost in GPU performance without increasing die size. Overall, Trinity is a very well designed part given the process constraints AMD was faced with. 

As a notebook platform, Trinity's CPU performance isn’t going to set any new records but it’s certainly fast enough for most users; battery life isn’t at the head of the class, but it’s better than just about anything that doesn’t qualify as an ultrabook; and finally there’s the question of cost. That last item isn’t really in AMD’s control, as the final cost of a laptop is a product of many design decisions, so let’s do some quick investigation into laptop pricing.

If you figure on memory, motherboard, chassis, LCD, and storage as all being the same, a typical laptop will have a starting price point of around $300—for a cheap, injection molded plastic shell, 4GB RAM, a 5400RPM HDD, a 1366x768 TN panel, and a no-frills feature set. Take that same basic platform and you can make an Intel laptop and have a BoM (Bill of Materials) cost of around $450, or you can make an AMD laptop and your BoM might start at $400. Depending on what other upgrades an OEM makes, as well as marketing, R&D, and profit, and we end up at a final price tag that might be $600 for a Trinity laptop compared to $700 for an Ivy Bridge laptop. The problem is that AMD doesn't just compete against vanilla Ivy Bridge; it has to compete against all the existing laptops as well.

Right now, Llano A8 laptops at Newegg have a starting price of $480 for an A8-3500M Acer Aspire, and they range up to $700 for a 17.3” HP dv7. The highest performance laptop of the bunch is probably Samsung’s Series 3, which uses an A8-3510MX APU and goes for $680. I suspect we’ll see similar pricing for Trinity laptops. On the Sandy Bridge Core i3/i5 side of the fence, Newegg has a much larger selection of laptops, starting at $430 for a Lenovo G570, $550 for the cheapest Core i5 model (again from Acer), and going up to $680 or more for laptops with Core i5 and NVIDIA Optimus graphics. Or if you prefer some place other than Newegg, you can find Core i5-2450M with GT 540M in Acer’s AS4830TG for $600.

That pretty much defines the maximum price we should expect people to pay for Trinity, as Core i5 with Optimus will deliver better CPU and GPU performance based on our test results. Obviously there are other factors to consider, like build quality of the laptop(s), display quality, battery life, and features, but most people shopping for an inexpensive laptop are going to be looking at cost first and features second. On the other hand, if you want style as a consideration, HP’s new sleekbooks will have Trinity versions starting at $600 for 15.6” and $700 for 14”—though it’s not clear which APU you’ll get at those prices. As long as last-generation Sandy Bridge laptops are at clearing house prices, though, AMD’s partners are going to need to be under $600 for something like the A10-4600M laptop we’re reviewing today. Assuming they can manage that, Trinity should see plenty of volume with the back to school season coming over the next few months.

For those who are interested in more than just the bottom line, as usual the best laptop for you may not be the best laptop for everyone. Trinity in a 14” form factor like our prototype would make for a great laptop to lug around campus for a few years. It would be fast enough for most tasks, small enough to not break your back, battery life would be long enough to last through a full day of classes, and the price would be low enough to not break your bank. And if mom and dad are footing the bill, you even get to disguise the fact that it’s a gaming capable laptop by not having a discrete GPU specifically called out on the features list. On the other hand, if you’re after a higher performance laptop or you want a “real” gaming system—something that can hand high detail settings at 1600x900 for instance—your best bet continues to be laptops with an Intel CPU and a discrete GPU from NVIDIA, at least of the GT 640M level—I’d say AMD GPUs as well, but I’m still waiting for a better switchable graphics solution.

At this point, AMD has done everything they can to provide a compelling mobile solution. The difficulty is that there's no longer a single laptop configuration that will be "best" for everyone, and Trinity only serves to further muddy the water. Intel continues to offer better CPU performance, and if you need graphics—which mostly means you want to play games—they have a good partner with NVIDIA. AMD on the other hand is delivering better integrated graphics performance with less CPU power, and depending on what you want to do that might be a more well rounded approach to mobile computing. What we need to see now are actual laptops and their prices. To trot out a tired old saying once more, "There are no bad products; only bad prices." Now it's up to AMD's partners to make sure Trinity laptops are priced appropriately.

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  • Khato - Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - link

    Really? The A10-4600m is going to be a $126 chip? 'Cause that's what a third of the tray price for an i7-3720QM is.
  • BSMonitor - Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - link

    You get 1/3 the performance on the CPU side.
  • bji - Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - link

    I don't know why I am bothing to respond to you, because your comments are all worthless, but I'd like to point out to anyone else who might be reading, that the CPU performance numbers are alot closer to 1/2 to 2/3 of the performance on the CPU side than 1/3.

    And 1/2 to 2/3 of Ivy Bridge CPU performance is *definitely* fast enough for 95% of users in 95% of circumstances, despite what trolls are claiming.
  • bji - Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - link

    Sorry, forget I said 2/3. That was just one benchmark. Let's just leave it at 1/2.

    I think my point is still valid. 1/2 of Ivy Bridge performance at 1/3 cost is going to be very acceptable to the vast majority of people.
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - link

    But the problem is you have to buy the whole laptop. If IVB goes for $350 and Trinity for $115, but the rest of the laptop ends up being $400, that means you get half the performance for 70% of the cost. And when Intel ships DC IVB chips for $150, we might be looking at 70% of the performance for 90% of the cost.

    My biggest fear with Trinity (if you couldn't tell from the conclusion) is that the laptop OEMs will price it too high. I think A10 is a decent part, provided you can get a reasonable set of laptop hardware for $600 or less. Anyway, we'll have to see what actually comes out and how much it costs.
  • bji - Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - link

    Very good points. Then we have to throw in the question of how much the extra performance is worth to the user. We'd all take extra performance for free (assuming that it didn't come at a cost of heat or battery life or other features), but would you pay 10% more for more performance that you knew you didn't need? I don't think most consumers really think in these terms of course, marketing will sell these parts, not logic, but if we're trying to make price and value comparisons, we need to be aware that the goal is to get what you need for the least money, not more than you need for the least amount more money.
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - link

    I'd take Trinity with an SSD over Sandy Bridge with an HDD, provided I could get a good LCD and build quality thrown into the mix. Maybe HP will deliver with the upcoming Envy Sleekbooks?
  • mrdude - Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - link

    HP offered this with the Llano, granted they charge $150 for a 1080p screen... You can also opt to buy an aftermarket 1080p screen and DIY. The Asus Llano line was extremely popular because you can buy a $70 1080p matte finish screen and upgrade a crossfired Llano. For ~$600 you got great gaming performance and a 1080p screen. Those things sold like hotcakes too.

    Jarred, I think you neglected quite a bit in this review. The improvements we've seen in Llano > Trinity actually outweigh the improvements we've seen in SB > Ivy yet the latter also has the advantage of a die shrink. The perf-per-watt improvements are by far the biggest shocker here and are nothing short of unbelievable if you consider Bulldozer's power consumption.

    While I understand using the 3720QM for the HD4000 benchmarks, why not delve into examining the Piledriver cores? There's very little info at all there with respect to what changed and what got better. What we got instead were synthetic benchmarks and a re-cap of the scores instead of some actual info. Hell, a monkey can run a benchmark but can that monkey run some meaningful benchmarks that test cache latency? AVX performance? Stress the IMC?Instead you're stating something that should be obvious (the weird multi-threaded cinebench score that actually makes sense when you consider it's a CMT design in Trinity therefore it lacks 2 FPUs compared to Llano) and that's supposed to be surprising?

    I can understand wanting to get a review out in time and giving us a rough idea of performance, but this is Anandtech. We expect a bit more than "these are the scores and these are the numbers. Onto the next benchmark."
  • Spunjji - Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - link

    I hear this.
  • mikato - Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - link

    I agree too (though the monkey part was a bit much). Maybe we can see a more in depth analysis of results, similar to Anandtech's treatment of AMD's new architecture but with hard results leading the analysis.

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