Overclocking

As 2 of our 3 cards were significantly geared towards overclocking, we tried our hand at overclocking each of them. As our ultimate goal in reviewing any product is to evaluate it for long-term use, this philosophy holds over for how we handle overclocking. Our overclocking results are based on what we believe would be an overclock suitable for long-term use as opposed to something that may top benchmarks but potentially be unstable.

For Cypress cards, our ground rules are that we want to keep the GPU below 95C load under FurMark, as we are not confident about the GPU’s longevity past that mark. Furthermore all cards must be able to complete an extended period of FurMark without crashing, artifacting, or downclocking due to VRM protection. Finally every card must be able to complete our benchmark suite under the same circumstances. This is something our reference 5870 can achieve, so we shoot for the same thing out of our overclocked cards.

With that out of the way, we’ll start with the Sapphire Toxic 2GB, the non-overclocking card of the bunch. As it doesn’t feature voltage adjustment, it can only go as far as its stock core voltage of 1.2v can carry it. Furthermore the extra 1GB in RAM presents a further hurdle in overclocking.

 

Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 Toxic 2GB Overclocking
  Stock Overclock
Core Clock 925MHz 960MHz
Memory Clock 1.225GHz (4.9GHz data rate) GDDR5 1.25GHz (5GHz data rate) GDDR5
Voltage 1.2v 1.2v

We were able to get a moderate overclock out of the Toxic, bringing it up from 925/1225 to 960/1250, a 4%/2% overclock respectively. All told this is pretty good, especially since we’re only at 1.2v on the core.

Up next is MSI’s 5870 Lightning, which should be the most capable card among our selection when it comes to overclocking. Between the 12 VRM power phases for the GPU and the dual-8pin power sockets, power delivery should not be an issue for this card – any limit is going to be what the GPU, RAM, and memory bus can accomplish. MSI allows for voltage adjustment up to 1.35v, however under FurMark we exceeded our 95C limit at anything above 1.285v. So for our overclocking efforts we took the card as far as it could go at 1.285v.

 

MSI Radeon HD 5870 Lightning Overclocking
  Stock Overclock
Core Clock 900MHz 940MHz
Memory Clock 1.2GHz (4.8GHz data rate) GDDR5 1.3GHz (5.2GHz data rate) GDDR5
Voltage 1.165v 1.285v

Deciding whether something overclocked well or not is going to hinge a great deal on your definition of “overclocked” here. On the one hand we got a 4.5% core overclock, but on the other hand even with this overclock it couldn’t catch up to the stock clockspeed of the Gigabyte Super Overclock. Ultimately anything above 940MHz would cause the card to crash under FurMark, disqualifying any higher speeds. It may be stable for gaming at higher speeds, but it doesn’t meet our criteria for general stability. We suspect that with exotic cooling to handle higher voltages that this card could be pushed further, but we don’t expect too much more given that an extra 0.12v only got us 40MHz more out of the GPU.

The memory clock is a different matter though. As we’ve discussed previously the biggest issue AMD had with GDDR5 was not the RAM itself, but the bus, which is why reference Radeon 5870s ship with 5GHz GDDR5 running at 4.8GHz. An 8% overclock to 5.2GHz effective isn’t anything earthshattering, but it’s better than our core overclock and is all the more impressive given the wall AMD was hitting here.

Finally we have the Gigabyte Super Overclock, the card that straddles the line between a factory-overclocked card and a serious overclocker card. With an enhanced power delivery system it’s more capable than a reference 5870, but it’s not going to be the most capable card in our roundup. With Gigabyte’s OC Guru software we can increase the core voltage up to 1.28v, however we found that the GPU temperature would exceed 95C with that much voltage. For our overclocking attempts we had to dial it down to 1.26v to keep our temperatures manageable.

 

Gigabyte Radeon HD 5870 Super Overclock Overclocking
  Stock Overclock
Core Clock 950MHz 950MHz
Memory Clock 1.25GHz (5GHz data rate) GDDR5 1.325GHz (5.3GHz data rate) GDDR5
Voltage 1.18v 1.18v

Frankly, as an overclocker card the 5870 Super Overclock was an abject failure. We couldn’t even get it stable under FurMark at 960MHz core clock with our 1.26v core voltage. Furthermore once we pushed the core voltage above 1.23v thermal protection would kick in for the VRMs, which means even if the card was FurMark stable the VRMs aren’t up to the task. Our impression is that Gigabyte is already heavily binning their Cypress chips to get a card that can run at 950MHz in the first place, resulting in many of these cards already running near their limits. The end result is that at 100MHz over reference, many of these Cypress chips have already given nearly everything they can give. As with the MSI card it may have some more headroom under exotic cooling, but as it stands that would only allow an overclocker to get another 0.02v out of it.

Meanwhile the memory overclock was more of a success story. At 5.3GHz effective it’s a 6% memory overclock on a card that was already running its memory 4% over reference, giving us a combined 10.5% memory overclock. This is made all the more impressive by the fact that Gigabyte doesn’t have any kind of heatspreader/heatsink attached to the RAM chips on the Super Overclock, meaning that this was accomplished solely on whatever air flows over the RAM chips from the card’s 2 80mm fans.

Ultimately none of our cards geared for overclocking proved to be great overclockers. Even with binning by partners there’s still a great deal of variability what core clock speed a GPU can ultimately hit, driving home the fact that no overclock is guaranteed. It’s entirely possible that we received particularly poor clocking samples from Gigabyte and MSI while receiving a well-clocking sample from Sapphire, or it may be some other combination entirely.

It’s always difficult to draw conclusions from a sample size of 1, but we work with what we have. From that the conclusion we can come to is that the average Cypress isn’t good for much more than 950MHz on air (at least, not without something even more exotic like a Thermalright Spitfire), so if this is the case then all of these cards are fairly similar in what they can achieve with core overclocking. More to the point this drives a stake in aftermarket overclocking when you can buy a card that ships at 950MHz in the first place.

Memory overclocking is a different beast however – and it’s the more complex of the two. As we’ve mentioned time and time before, the problem with GDDR5 on Cypress is not the chips or the memory controller, it’s the memory bus. With error detection and fast link retraining, memory overclocking can throw us a curveball if they keep the card stable while at the same time reducing effective memory performance. There are certainly some benefits to be had in memory overclocking which become apparent with the overclock on our Gigabyte Super Overclock, but it suffers from being anything but straightforward. A good memory overclock seems achievable on both of our 1GB cards, but at some unknown point you run the risk of reducing performance more than improving it.

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  • Jediron - Saturday, May 22, 2010 - link

    These are not cards for a gamer, but for people who make it a sport to beat the other guys 3Dmark results.
    Gamers, you'll see it hardly makes a difference, gameexperience is something else then raw, digital FPS numbers. Save yourself alot of cash and buy a default clocked card; that leaves you with enough money to buy your favorite game ;)
  • cauchy2k - Thursday, May 20, 2010 - link

    People should not take into account this near 100 °C ,becuase you can increase fan speeds and lower temps a lot.
  • hglazm - Thursday, May 20, 2010 - link

    Either you got a bad chip with the lightning, got an exceptional chip with the Toxic, or did something wrong when overclocking the lightning
    Because both of mine hit 1ghz without issue. As well as three of the four 5770 HAWKs my friends have ordered (one hit 980 instead of 1020-1060).
  • Ninjahedge - Thursday, May 20, 2010 - link

    It is always good to see this kind of thing being made and tested, but the thing that gets me is simple.

    This aint the Celery 300 days. You can't get the equivalent of a more expensive chip for half the price, boost it to 150% with a simple (was it multiplier?) switch and get 80%-90% of the more expensive brother.

    I have not really seen much come out in the past few years that warrants throwing that much cash out on something that will be beaten for $100 less in 6 months.

    Especially when there really is no game that would need it.

    The fact that the makers are still comcentrating on giving you the fastest card that can show nose-hair and blackheads in 3D at 2560 resolution irritates me. Has there been any progress (or push for progress) in an EFFICIENT card that can do what the 4870, or 5800's can do for half the power? Passive (silent) cooling? Half the PRICE?

    It would be great to get a card to use 1 6 pin additional power cable (hell, push it further, NO additional power) that would be able to fit into a compact case (Shuttle?) and not sound like a dust-buster in game.

    Good article, but disappointing that this is still the direction card makers are going. (also sad that all that $$, all that noise and heat gets you so little in the end...)

    Question, have you guys figured out a way to be able to rate the best Bang for the Watt? Some comparison taking compact, quiet, efficient cards and trying to rank them by speed, efficiency, ergonomics and price? Can that be done or is that too many variables?
  • mapesdhs - Tuesday, May 25, 2010 - link

    Good post! I thoroughly agree. Reminds me of how pleased I was with the performance of
    the X1950 I bought in 2006 for 156 UKP, and then again later the excellent results obtained
    from an 8800GT (Gigabyte Zalman, 700MHz core) which was only 120 UKP. Decent prices,
    nice performance each time.

    Prices now are crazy. I've given up waiting for a card that offers a reasonable speed boost
    at any kind of similar price point, so instead I've bagged an extra identical 8800GT to have
    SLI which should work quite well until the RAM limit becomes a factor (atm I'm not playing
    games which need 1GB). I've done the same thing for my new PC build (i7 860), buying two
    8800GTs which cost less than 100 UKP total.

    As you say, it seems vendors are going all out for high cost cards, which is ironic given we're
    supposed to be in the middle of a global recession. Who has the money to buy a $570 card
    and sleep easy? On a tight budget, I managed to get some items 2nd-hand, saved a decent
    amount (750W PSU 40% cheaper than new, WD VR 150GB half new price), and found an eBay
    seller doing the i7 860 at a good price (205 UKP, almost 30 less than any other source) with
    free shipping (item 270583690505; he has 5 left. Mine is only running at 3.8GHz atm, but I don't
    have the proper fans yet).

    When I bought the 8800GT in 2008, I doubled or tripled games fps rates compared to my old
    X1950 using the same CPU/RAM (Athlon64 6000+, 4GB DDR2/800), for less than $200. Two
    years on once more, doing the same thing isn't possible.

    Ian.
  • Kaihekoa - Thursday, May 20, 2010 - link

    Anandtech really needs to get a reliable proofreader. Every article I read has multiple typos which obviously isn't very professional for such a highly regarded tech site. I would do it for free given the subject matter.
  • austonia - Thursday, May 20, 2010 - link

    These cards do not OC very well at all. I have a reference-design Sapphire 5850 from about a month after they came out, and it does 900/1300 at stock 1.08v, and 1000/1300 at 1.25v. You would think these 5870s with cherry-picked chips, high end components and cooling system could at least match a stock 5850. And there were quite a few people on overclock.net forums getting similar results. Anyway thanks Anandtech, good info.
  • austonia - Thursday, May 20, 2010 - link

    Please consider adding Metro 2033 to the benchmarks, with all of the eyecandy turned up it looks like a slideshow on my 5850. Must need a brutal amount of power. None of the games you are testing now are very challenging for a Fermi or 5850+.
  • Kaihekoa - Thursday, May 20, 2010 - link

    I would like to extend my thanks to Anandtech for doing an article about PC hardware instead of writing laptop reviews and copy/pasting press releases. I believe this is a topic of great interest for gamers and hardware enthusiasts: How much benefit do you get out of these pre-overclocked cards with big price premiums. As we can see you don't get much and certainly not enough to justify paying $100 or more extra. I just upgraded my Radeon 4870 to a 5850 that overclocks to 950/5000 without extra voltage. Oh, and I paid $225 for it on ebay meaning I got almost as much performance as these $500 cards for 55% less money.
  • Etern205 - Friday, May 21, 2010 - link

    Why no this?

    http://vr-zone.com/articles/retail-asus-matrix-587...

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