At various times we will see some interesting products come through the labs and wonder why no one had thought of a certain idea before now. After spending a great amount of time with fifteen different P965 boards we were on the lookout for something what would really set one board apart from the others. We wondered if this would be possible as all of the motherboards offered the same chipset combinations and the manufacturers have the same peripheral options at their disposal. Considering the consolidation in the motherboard manufacturing sector it was going to be surprising to us if any of the boards did not follow a standard cookie cutter layout and feature list based on market segments.

It seemed to us the cookie cutter approach is exactly what happened as each series of boards fell into certain price segments with each offering almost the same feature list as you moved into ever higher price ranges. The true P965 budget boards all feature the same list of components and all overclock mildly with the only differences being in layout design - and even that is minimal at best. The mid-range sector we recently reviewed all performed nearly identically and offered the same basic features with prices being within a few dollars of each other. The high end sector boards all offer CrossFire support, unique cooling solutions, and additional features such as WiFi support or increased SATA ports. While they may appear to be different on the surface due to color schemes or minor layout changes, most offerings are basically the same except for the name on the box.

Sure we had Universal Abit trying to differentiate their product with the unusual layout design on the AB9-Pro along with a pink BIOS color scheme. While we give them full credit for at least trying to stand out from the crowd we think they ended up being out in left field with a board layout that made absolutely no ergonomic sense at all. There were other minor infractions from all of the suppliers in trying to be different but none of this usually matters if the board's performance and quality are up to standards. While we desperately wanted to see something truly interesting in our collection of boards we resigned ourselves to the fact this probably would not happen given the mass market sales and pricing targets of our test group.

During testing it became obvious that we had two boards that stood out from the rest of the group and not because they were different. In fact, they grabbed our attention because they followed the cookie cutter process only with a twist. The first board that grabbed our attention is the Biostar TForce 965PT that is based on the Biostar TForce P965 Deluxe platform. In fact, if you peel the product label off the board you will see the P965 Deluxe silkscreen. The only difference between the two Biostar boards is the Intel ICH8 is used in place of the ICH8R found on the P965 Deluxe and a slightly different BIOS. Otherwise all of the positive aspects of the P965 Deluxe carry over to this board along with a $45 decrease in pricing. Gigabyte followed a similar path as the Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 is identical to the GA-965P-DS3 except for the type of capacitors utilized on the board and a different BIOS revision while reducing the price by $30. While not identical twins, both boards are close enough to their more expensive siblings to be considered fraternal twins in our opinion.

We originally had both of these boards in our budget category but based upon their performance and pricing right over the $100 mark we decided to separate them from our three truly budget (at least for the P965 chipset) motherboards from ECS, MSI, and Foxconn. While the stock performance between all five boards is within a couple of percent depending upon your memory choice, it was the overclocking capability of the Gigabyte and especially the Biostar board that dictated a change in our classification. In fact, the Biostar TForce 965PT board at $104.99 might just change how we look at overclocking on the Intel platform from a price/performance viewpoint. If Gigabyte can finally solve their Micron D9 issues then the GA-965P-S3 board will also fall into this new performance oriented budget category.

Let's get started and see how well our twins perform today.

Biostar TForce 965PT: Feature Set
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  • Marlin1975 - Thursday, November 9, 2006 - link

    The biggest problem I, and seems like most, have with 965 chipsets is the JMicron JMB363 IDE. You said there is a driver problem for the newwest driver but did not say what driver that is? Like 13.03, 15, etc... I think I have a new driver then someone in the forums has one that is 2 whole numbers newwer.

    I have a hard time trying to find a decent driver so I just get what I can for the JMicron JMB363. My DVD burner just comes up in windows as a reg. drive and I can;t get windows to see that it is a burner. Mind you Nero sees it as a burner. So I am guessing that is a JMicron JMB363.

    I like my Gigabyte board, better then the Asus I had. But the lack of IDE support by Intel makes me want to get a Nvidia 600i board even more.
  • jackylman - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

    The Biostar 965PT (and, I assume, the Deluxe) includes a VIA VT6401 IDE controller instead of the Jmicron. I had no problems seeing the controller in the BIOS or getting my optical drive to run in DMA.

    Just another reason that this board rules.
  • Viditor - Thursday, November 9, 2006 - link

    The biggest problem I have encountered seems like a small one, but it's getting annoying.
    It seems that none of the 965 boards allow for 2 x PATA connectors...I don't know for sure, but I assume this is a limitation of the chipset.
    The problem I keep running into is the reuse of existing components for an upgrade. Obviously you need one of the PATAs for the optical drives, which means that unless you get a PATA controller card you can't reuse your existing PATA drives...
  • Sho - Thursday, November 9, 2006 - link

    The P965 chipset doesn't have any PATA support by itself, so the mobo makers need to include a seperate controller.
  • BladeVenom - Thursday, November 9, 2006 - link

    Nice to see the less expensive models getting a thorough review. Everyone reviews the Biostar Deluxe, even though it's almost impossible to find, unless you're a reviewer.

    Also nice to see that model of Crucial RAM used. Next time you do a budget review could you also test the cheapest memory available, and 1:1 ratio for overclocking be damned.

  • Gary Key - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link


    Also nice to see that model of Crucial RAM used. Next time you do a budget review could you also test the cheapest memory available, and 1:1 ratio for overclocking be damned.

    We are still testing lower priced memory. I will add some addtional overclocking results to these two boards tomorrow. :)
  • BladeVenom - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

  • DaveLessnau - Thursday, November 9, 2006 - link

    I might have missed the reason for this in the write-ups. If so, I apologize. But, why aren't you reviewing any Intel boards? I'd have thought that they'd provide a decent baseline for comparison to see if the other manufacturers can do any better/different.
  • Gary Key - Thursday, November 9, 2006 - link

    The Intel board we originally received has been pulled from retail availability. We have a BLKDP965LTCK coming next week to take its place. I believe this board currently retails for $110~$115. I will do my best to at least get performance numbers from this board in our charts before the final article goes up.
  • Sho - Thursday, November 9, 2006 - link

    ... where's that high-end board roundup hiding? IIRC an Anandtech staffer had announced it for last Friday in a comment to another article about two weeks back.

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