DDR5 & AMD EXPO Memory: Memory Overclocking, AMD's Way

The final major feature being introduced with the AM5 platform is DDR5 memory support. Like AM4, which was introduced alongside AMD’s shift over from DDR3 to DDR4, socket AM5 is being rolled out to bring support for DDR5 for the platform.

In fact, socket AM5 only brings DDR5 support. Unlike rival Intel, who opted to support both DDR4 and DDR5 memory with their Alder Lake (12th Gen Core) CPUs, AMD is only supporting DDR5 on the AM5 platform. This is a true platform limitation, and there is no going back.

Like other engineering decisions, this marks a trade-off being made by AMD. In the short term, this is going to drive up the total cost of an AM5 system relative to a theoretical AM5 system with DDR4 memory; DDR5 simply costs more right now. But at the same time, it simplifies things over the long run of the platform, especially since AMD is planning on supporting it through 2025. There will be no such thing as a DDR4 AM5 motherboard, and AMD needs not bake DDR4 support into any of the Ryzen memory controllers.

Ultimately, with AMD starting the DDR5 transition roughly a year after Intel, the company’s expectations are that DDR5 prices are going to continue falling fast enough that they’re going to reach parity with DDR4 before too long. So why implement DDR4 support if it’s only going to be necessary for a short period of time?

As for memory speeds and capacities supported, while AM5 enforces the use of DDR5, ultimately it’s the individual memory controllers that determine the rest. For AMD’s Ryzen 7000 desktop processors, which are based on the Zen 4 Raphael design, these chips offer support for official (JEDEC) speeds at up to DDR5-5200 for a 1 DIMM Per Channel (DPC) configuration. But, like all other DDR5 products we’ve seen thus far, 2 DPC comes with a significant penalty; in that case the maximum JEDEC speed is reduced to just DDR5-3600.

So as was the case with Intel’s Alder Lake platform, system builders are going to need to put a lot more thought into how they go about adding memory, and how they’re going to handle future memory expansion, if at all. While Ryzen 7000 can drive a 2 DPC/4 DIMM setup, you’re going to lose 31% of your memory bandwidth if you go that route. So for peak performance, it’ll be best to treat Ryzen 7000 as a 1 DPC platform.

Meanwhile, for system builders looking at reliability and data integrity as opposed to performance, AMD has confirmed that Ryzen 7000 also supports ECC memory. Unfortunately, the compatibility situation is essentially unchanged from the AM4 platform, which is to say that while the CPU supports ECC memory, it’s going to be up to motherboard manufacturers to properly validate it against their boards. For boards that aren’t doing validation, AMD can’t guarantee ECC is going to work. Though it’s largely a moot point for today’s launch anyhow, since although DDR5 ECC UDIMMs exist, they are in very short supply.

Also, while we didn’t expect it to be supported to begin with, AMD has confirmed that Ryzen 7000 won’t support RDIMMS/LRDIMMs. So it’s unbuffered DIMMs all the way.

Overclocking Memory Ratios

JEDEC standard speeds aside, the Ryzen 7000 series will also support memory overclocking. And thanks to a combination of the switch to DDR5 memory, changes to AMD’s memory controllers, and changes to AMD’s power delivery infrastructure, the rules have changed.

On Ryzen 5000, the ideal configuration for memory overclocking was to run the fabric clock, memory controller, and memory clock all in sync at the same frequencies. This made DDR4-3600 the typical “sweet spot” for the platform, as going faster would typically require running parts of the CPU out of sync so that they could stay within their own attainable clockspeeds.

But for Ryzen 7000, AMD has loosened things up a bit. Ryzen 7000 systems can still get improved memory performance even when the fabric clock is allowed to go out of sync with the memory controller. As a result, most overclockers can just leave that clock set to Auto, and instead focus on keeping the memory and memory controller clocks in sync in a 1:1 ratio.

Specifically, when the fabric clock is set to Auto, it’s typically run at 2000MHz. Meanwhile the memory and memory controller clocks will be running at anywhere between 2400MHz and 3000MHz, depending on the speed of the RAM kit used. Ultimately, the goal for the best performance is to get the fabric clock to 2000MHz and then keep the memory/MC clock at 3000MHz or less. Otherwise, if memory speeds exceed 3000MHz (DDR5-6000), then the memory controller will fall to 1:2 with the memory frequency, which will incur a performance hit.

It should be noted that AMD’s idea of optimal memory speeds here is high memory clocks with low memory latencies, rather than pushing the absolute fastest memory clocks. On good chips it should be possible to drive Ryzen 7000 at speeds above DDR5-6000, but the latency hit from things falling out of sync will be significant – enough so that it’s likely going to be a performance regression for most workloads.

Overclocking with EXPO

But for most users doing memory overclocking, they’re likely going to simply rely on factory overclocked memory kits with pre-programmed profiles. And this is where AMD is rolling out their own standard for those memory kit profiles: EXPO.

AMD EXPO stands for EXtended Profiles for Overclocking and is designed to provide users with high-end memory overclocking when used in conjunction with AMD's Ryzen 7000 series processors. Similar to Intel's preexisting X.M.P (Extreme Memory Profile) technology found on most consumer-level memory kits designed for desktop Intel platforms, AMD's EXPO technology aims to do the same, but as an open standard with an emphasis on providing the best settings for AMD platforms.

The premise of AMD EXPO is that is a one-click DDR5 overclocking function for AM5 motherboards. On the surface EXPO is essentially a set of X.M.P-like profile specifically designed for AMD's Ryzen 7000 (Zen 4) processors.

The major impetus behind EXPO is two-fold. The first is simple: Intel doesn’t share XMP. There’s no published specification for it, and while AMD has reverse engineered it to some extent, they can’t be sure of what’s going on (especially with DDR5/XMP 3). So rather than deal with the potential compatibility issues and inefficiencies, they’re just going their own way. The second benefit for EXPO being that it means that memory kit manufacturers can then create memory profiles that are AMD-specific, potentially using tighter sub-timings that are possible in conjunction with AMD processors, but not with Intel’s.

It is worth noting that, despite the existence of EXPO, DDR5 memory with X.M.P profiles will be supported on Ryzen 7000 platforms. Still, AMD is very clearly pushing customers towards using EXPO DIMMs with their systems to get the best performance out of AMD systems.

As for EXPO itself, like most other AMD standards, the company is making this an open and royalty free standard (XMP is believed to have royalties, but how much has never been officially published). So memory kit partners will be able to implement EXPO profiles without the blessing of AMD, or needing to pay AMD for the privilege.

With that said, EXPO will be a self-certification program. So AMD is not charging anything for it, but at the same time they are not doing much in the way of extra work to validate support for it.

In lieu of that, memory kit manufacturers will be required to publish their self-certification reports. These reports will lay out in detail what memory was tested on what systems, and with what timings and voltages. The idea here being that openness goes both ways, and that buyers should be able to see complete configuration settings a profile calls for. The detailed data is in some respects overkill, but it also means that if memory kit manufacturers opt for a high-clocked kit with tight primary timings and loose secondary timings, potential customers will be able to see those full timings in advance.

As with manual memory overclocking, AMD expects the sweet spot for EXPO kits to be DDR5-6000. In an example profile provided for a 2 x 16GB G.Skill memory kit, that kit runs at DDR5-6000 CL30, with a VDD voltage of 1.35v. It’s kits like these that AMD expects to provide the best performance, offering rather low memory latencies in conjunction with a more modest increase in memory frequency.

The specific performance gains will vary depending on the workloads. But for gaming tasks, some of the most DRAM latency-sensitive workloads, AMD is touting performance gains of up to 11% at 1080p. Otherwise, at more GPU-limited resolutions and settings, the gains will be understandably lower.

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  • Tom Sunday - Friday, September 30, 2022 - link

    Just today received a special sales notice from Micro Center giving away FREE 32GB DDR5 with any purchase of a Ryzen 7000 series CPU. I wonder if AMD is sponsering such a sales push and this early in the game? Giving away a $190 value is a big deal in the trying times of today! Reply
  • Castillan - Sunday, October 2, 2022 - link

    I suspect that's a Microcenter specific deal only. The RAM is 5600 at a fairly high latency (I think it was CAS40?). DDR5 prices have plummeted as well. The memory I picked up from Microcenter was 6600/CAS34 and marked down to 279 from 499.

    I'd guess that they have a surplus of a certain stock item that wasn't selling, and decided to use this promo to offload unwanted stock and still look good.
    Reply
  • imaskar - Friday, September 30, 2022 - link

    It would be really great to add code compilation tests: Java, Go, C++ (linux kernel), Rust. Reply
  • dizzynosed - Saturday, October 1, 2022 - link

    Si what shall I buy? Intel, amd, ??? Which cpu?? I only game. Reply
  • rocky12345 - Saturday, October 1, 2022 - link

    What's wrong with the gaming scores on the 7000 series there is no way a 5000 series should be able to match or beat a 7000 AMD CPU. I know this because I have a AMD Ryzen 5900x properly setup and tweaked. AMD is said to have sent DDR5 6000 with the test CPU's and asked the reviewers to use that to test with. Lets face it 97% of the people buying a new AMD Zen 4 setup or Intel 12th gen are not going to be using bargain basement low speed ram and if they do happen to buy cheaper ram most are more than likely to try and run it at the highest speed possible. did I read that right you used CL44 DDR5 5200Mhz talk about dead heading performance.

    Also maybe I missed it but what was the Intel test system setup? other than that it was a decent review. I never have seen Ryzen 5000 that close in gaming I guess using slow DDR5 knee jerks Ryzen 7000. My own ram is running at CL16 4000Mhz 2000IF and at the reported number in the review if I had the same video card I would be either faster or only slightly slower than the test results here for games and that would give me false hope that my Zen 3 was faster than it really is lol.
    Reply
  • Oxford Guy - Sunday, October 2, 2022 - link

    The only way you're going to see movement on this is if you lobby AMD to abandon JEDEC.

    This site sees JEDEC as all there is.
    Reply
  • GeoffreyA - Monday, October 3, 2022 - link

    I think it's about keeping a common baseline of memory speed, especially since Anandtech's database is about having parts directly comparable. Reply
  • Oxford Guy - Monday, October 10, 2022 - link

    That’s not the reason that has been given again and again and it’s a terrible one anyway. The parts are different. The memory that goes best with those parts differs. Reply
  • GeoffreyA - Tuesday, October 11, 2022 - link

    They should have set all the systems to DDR4 3200 and called it a day. Reply
  • byte99 - Sunday, October 2, 2022 - link

    I'm a bit confused. When Anandtech was doing their efficiency analysis, it seemed they were taking the 65W Eco mode label as the actual package power, instread of actually measuring it (as they usually do). When Ars Technica measured the package power of the 7950X and 7600X in 65w Eco Mode, they found it was 90W for both.

    [ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/ryzen-7600... ]

    Did Anandtech miss something obvious, or am I missing something?
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