The Intel 12th Gen Core i9-12900K Review: Hybrid Performance Brings Hybrid Complexityby Dr. Ian Cutress & Andrei Frumusanu on November 4, 2021 9:00 AM EST
CPU Tests: SPEC MT Performance - P and E-Core Scaling
Update Nov 6th:
We’ve finished our MT breakdown for the platform, investigating the various combination of cores and memory configurations for Alder Lake and the i9-12900K. We're posting the detailed scores for the DDR5 results, following up the aggregate results for DDR4 as well.
The results here solely cover the i9-12900K and various combinations of MT performance, such as 8 E-cores, 8 P-cores with 1T as well as 2T, and the full 24T 8P2T+8E scenario. The results here were done on Linux due to easier way to set affinities to the various cores, and they’re not completely comparable to the WSL results on the previous page, however should be within small margins of error for most tests.
In the integer suite, the E-cores are quite powerful, reaching scores of around 50% of the 8P2T results, or more.
Many of the more core-bound workloads appear to very much enjoy just having more cores added to the suite, and these are also the workloads that have the largest gains in terms of gaining performance when we add 8 E-cores on top of the 8P2T results.
Workloads that are more cache-heavy, or rely on memory bandwidth, both shared resources on the chip, don’t scale too well at the top-end of things when adding the 8 E-cores. Most surprising to me was the 502.gcc_r result which barely saw any improvement with the added 8 E-cores.
More memory-bound workloads such as 520.omnetpp or 505.mcf are not surprising to see them not scale with the added E-cores – mcf even seeing a performance regression as the added cores mean more memory contention on the L3 and memory controllers.
In the FP suite, the E-cores more clearly showcase a lower % of performance relative to the P-cores, and this makes sense given their design. Only few more compute-bound tests, such as 508.namd, 511.povray, or 538.imagick see larger contributions of the E-cores when they’re added in on top of the P-cores.
The FP suite also has a lot more memory-hungry workload. When it comes to DRAM bandwidth, having either E-cores or P-cores doesn’t matter much for the workload, as it’s the memory which is bottlenecked. Here, the E-cores are able to achieve extremely large performance figures compared to the P-cores. 503.bwaves and 519.lbm for example are pure DRAM bandwidth limited, and using the E-cores in MT scenarios allows for similar performance to the P-cores, however at only 35-40W package power, versus 110-125W for the P-cores result set.
Some of these workloads also see regressions in performance when adding in more cores or threads, as it just means more memory traffic contention on the chip, such as seen in the 8P2T+8E, 8P2T regressions over the 8P1T results.
What’s most interesting here is the scaling of performance and the attribution between the P-cores and the E-cores. Focusing on the DDR5 set, the 8 E-cores are able to provide around 52-55% of the performance of 8 P-cores without SMT, and 47-51% of the P-cores with SMT. At first glance this could be argued that the 8P+8E setup can be somewhat similar to a 12P setup in MT performance, however the combined performance of both clusters only raises the MT scores by respectively 25% in the integer suite, and 5% in the FP suite, as we are hitting near package power limits with just 8P2T, and there’s diminishing returns on performance given the shared L3. What the E-cores do seem to allow the system is to allows to reduce every-day average power usage and increase the efficiency of the socket, as less P-cores need to be active at any one time.
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Netmsm - Monday, November 8, 2021 - link@Wrs Assume we give you this, just drop AMD related things.
Let's focus on performance per watt of new Intel Architecture. I asked some questions about this which is a pertinent topic to this article but you dodged. Just talk about 241 watt being sucked by 12900k :))
ajollylife - Sunday, November 7, 2021 - linkTo be fair Intel's def not perfect. The i225v lan bug comes to mind
DominionSeraph - Saturday, November 6, 2021 - linkWhen Intel doesn't have this issue it is AMD.
Intel demands validation and spends hundreds of millions on engineers to help motherboard manufacturers fix their issues before release because they realize that the motherboard is an INSEPERABLE part of the equation. You can fanboi all you want over the CPU, but if there are no good motherboards you have a terrible system.
AMD just dumps their chip on the market, leaving the end-user with a minefield of motherboard issues among every manufacturer.
When Intel has the problem solved but AMD doesn't, it's an AMD issue.
Qasar - Saturday, November 6, 2021 - linkDominionSeraph have you tried this on a different x570 board ? it COULD be just that board, as was already stated. i have been running a 5900x now for about a week, and no issues at all with disk access, its the same as the 3900x i replaced, and im using an asus x570 e-gaming board.
maybe take a step back, realize that its NOT an amd issue, but a BOARD issue. to be fair, intel has had its own issues over the years as well, while you see them as perfect, sorry to break it to you, but intel also isnt perfect
Netmsm - Sunday, November 7, 2021 - linkOh I got it, the fact that you're encountering unusual issues, despite myriads of people who haven't complained of the same problem you have, means that AMD got many incompatibility issues.
That's a brilliant reasoning which brings us to a pure conclusion: AMD is bad. We're done here.
Dug - Monday, November 15, 2021 - link@DominionSeraph
"Note Intel doesn't allow "dog sh1t motherboards" to happen, especially at the $300+ price point. That makes it an AMD issue."
You obviously haven't looked at or experienced the issues that plague many motherboards. Maybe just read some reviews or visit manufactures forums to get an idea of how bad it is before making such a naïve statement.
It has more to do with the manufacturer of the board than the CPU.
That is like saying nvidia doesn't make crap video cards. Well you need to look at all the failures by each manufacturer, not nvidia itself.
madseven7 - Saturday, November 6, 2021 - linkYou put that chip in an ASROCK motherboard. That's the reason for the issues.
xhris4747 - Tuesday, November 9, 2021 - linkLol 😅
FLORIDAMAN85 - Friday, November 12, 2021 - linkI, too, have made the error of purchasing an ASRock board.
mode_13h - Saturday, November 13, 2021 - linkSo far, my ASRock Rack server board is still going strong.