Conclusions

Alder Lake is set to come to market for both desktop and mobile, and we’re expecting the desktop hardware to start to appear by the end of the year – perhaps a little later for the rest of the family, but all-in-all we expect Intel is experiencing some serious squeaky bum time regarding how all the pieces will fit in place at that launch. The two main critical factors are operating systems and memory.

Because Alder Lake is Intel’s first full-stack attempt to commercialize a hybrid design, it has had to work closely with Microsoft to enable all the features it needs to make managing a hybrid core design properly beneficial to users. Intel’s new Thread Director Technology couples an integrated microcontroller per P-core and a new API for Windows 11 such that the scheduler in the operating system can take hints about the workflow on the core at a super fine granularity – every 30 microseconds or so. With information about what each thread is doing (from heavy AVX2 down to spin lock idling), the OS can react when a new thread needs performance, and choose which threads need to be relegated down to the E-core or as a hyperthread (which is classified as slower than an E-core).

When I first learned Alder Lake was going to be a hybrid design, I was perhaps one of the most skeptical users about how it was going to work, especially with some of the limits of Windows 10. At this point today however, with the explanations I have from Intel, I’m more confident than not that they’ve done it right. Some side off-the-record conversations I have had have only bolstered the idea that Microsoft has done everything Intel has asked, and users will need Windows 11 to get that benefit. Windows 10 still has some Hardware Guided Scheduling, but it’s akin to only knowing half the story. The only question is whether Windows 11 will be fully ready by the time Alder Lake comes to market.

For memory, as a core design, Alder Lake will have support for DDR4 and DDR5, however only one can be used at any given time. Systems will have to be designed for one or the other – Intel will state that by offering both, OEMs will have the opportunity to use the right memory at the right time for the right cost, however the push to full DDR5 would simplify the platform a lot more. We’re starting to see DDR5 come to the consumer market, but not in any volume that makes any consumer sense – market research firms expect the market to be 10% DDR5 by the end of 2022, which means that consumers might have to be stay with DDR4 for a while, and vendors will have to choose whether to bundle DDR5 with their systems. Either way, there’s no easy answer to the question ‘what memory should I use with Alder Lake’.

Through The Cores and The Atoms

From a design perspective, both the P-core and E-core are showcasing substantial improvements to their designs compared to previous generations.

The new Golden Cove core has upgraded the front-end decoder, which has been a sticking point for analysis of previous Cove and Lake cores. The exact details of how they operate are still being kept under wraps, but having a 6-wide variable length decoder is going to be an interesting talking point against 8-wide fixed-length decoders in the market and which one is better. The Golden Cove core also has very solid IPC figure gains, Intel saying 19%, although the fact there are some regressions is interesting. Intel did compare Golden Cove to Cypress Cove, the backported desktop core, rather than Willow Cove, the Tiger Lake core, which would have been a more apt comparison given that our testing shows Willow Cove slightly ahead. But still, around 19% is a good figure. Andrei highlights in his analysis that the move from a 10-wide to a 12-wide disaggregated execution back-end should be a good part of that performance, and that most core designs that go down this route end up being good.

However, for Gracemont, Intel has taken that concept to the extreme. Having 17 execution ports allows Intel to clock-gate each port when not in use, and even when you couple that with a smaller 5-wide allocation dispatch and 8-wide retire, it means that without specific code to keep all 17 ports fed, a good number are likely to be disabled, saving power. The performance numbers Intel provided were somewhat insane for Gracemont, suggesting +8% performance over Skylake at peak power, or a variety of 40% ST perf/power or 80% MT perf/power against Skylake. If Gracemont is truly a Skylake-beating architecture, then where have you been! I’m advocating for a 64-core HEDT chip tomorrow.

One harsh criticism Intel is going to get back is dropping AVX-512 for this generation. For the talk we had about ‘no transistor left behind’, Alder Lake dropped it hard. That’s nothing to say if the functionality will come back later, but if rumors are believed and Zen 4 has some AVX-512 support, we might be in a situation where the only latest consumer hardware on the market supporting AVX-512 is from AMD. That would be a turn-up. But AMD’s support is just a rumor, and really if Intel wants to push AVX-512 again, it will have a Sisyphean task to convince everyone it’s what the industry needs.

Where We Go From Here

There are still some unanswered questions as to the Alder Lake design, and stuff that we will test when we get the hardware in hand. Intel has an event planned for the end of October called the Intel InnovatiON event (part of the ON series), which would be the right time to introduce Alder Lake as a product to the world. Exactly when it comes to retail will be a different question, but as long as Intel executes this year on the technology, it should make for an interesting competition with the rest of the market.

Instruction Sets: Alder Lake Dumps AVX-512 in a BIG Way
Comments Locked

223 Comments

View All Comments

  • mode_13h - Monday, August 23, 2021 - link

    Yeah, it'll be an exploit gold mine, if someone works out how to access it from userspace, particularly the profiling information on other running threads.
  • mode_13h - Monday, August 23, 2021 - link

    > I'm thinking this is likely to be the reason it's closed-source/Windows only for now.

    Security by obscurity didn't protect the ME. No reason to think it'll save the TD, either.
  • iranterres - Monday, August 23, 2021 - link

    LOL another socket. Another pinout....
  • mode_13h - Tuesday, August 24, 2021 - link

    And what's surprising about that? LGA1200 was introduced with Comet Lake and supported by Rocket Lake. Intel's standard socket lifespan is 2 generations. This just continues the trend.

    That said, I've heard rumors that LGA1700 could be supported for 3 generations. I wouldn't count on it, but it'd be nice to see them opt for a bit more longevity.
  • MDD1963 - Tuesday, August 24, 2021 - link

    "... if Intel wants to push AVX-512 again, it will have a *Sisyphean* task to convince everyone it’s what the industry needs."

    <sigh...!>
  • Timoo - Tuesday, August 24, 2021 - link

    So here comes the clusterf*ck.
    Intel still has serious leverage over Microsoft:

    "Intel Threadripper Thread Director Technology

    This new technology is a combined hardware/software solution that Intel has engineered with Microsoft focused on Windows 11."

    Which means that you have to upgrade to 11 in order to use the potential of Alder lake. Which in turn means that, if AMD comes with a similar solution down the lane, it is obliged to go to 11 as well.

    Having enough troubles as-it-is with 10 upgrades, I have a hard time thinking about upgrading to 11. And I do not want to buy new hardware just for the sake of 11. I want to buy new hardware to make 10 run more smooth, with those 50+ browser threads open all the time.
  • MobiusPizza - Wednesday, August 25, 2021 - link

    "Intel has improved the prefetchers, nothing things such as “better stride prefetching in L1”, though beyond that the company hasn’t divulged much other details. "

    nothing -> noting
  • vikas.sm - Friday, August 27, 2021 - link

    8.8-24 is more intuitive than 8C8c24T.
    M4rK3tin8 FaIL🤪
  • vikas.sm - Friday, August 27, 2021 - link

    Suggestion for sff motherboard vendors:
    1. Include on-board RAM.
    2. Also include tilted/flush so-dimm slots.
  • mode_13h - Saturday, August 28, 2021 - link

    > Include on-board RAM.

    No. It'll probably something cheap and maybe not as much or as fast as you'd like. And if it goes bad, then you have to basically toss the whole board.

    I hate it when laptops have soldered RAM.

Log in

Don't have an account? Sign up now