The Cortex-A510: Brand-new Little Design Comes in Pairs

Moving on from the larger cores, this year we also have the pleasure to cover Arm’s newest little core, the new Cortex-A510. The new design if a clean-sheet microarchitecture from Arm’s Cambridge team which the engineers had been working on the past 4 years, and marks a quite different approach when it comes to how the little cores are built into the SoC.

First of all, Arm made explicit note of the design’s continued use of an in-order execution flow, mentioning that in their view that this is still the most power-efficient way to design a core for such workloads. This remains a relatively controversial topic and point of discussion when put into context of Apple’s own out-of-order efficiency cores, a topic I’ll return on later.

Secondly, the Cortex-A510 introduces something called a “merged-core” microarchitecture, there’s some very high-level comparisons and similarities to what AMD had done with CMT in their Bulldozer cores a decade ago, but differs quite significantly in some important aspects in terms of the details and design.

Of course, like the X2 and A710, the A510 is an Armv9 design, and all three cores share the same architectural features with each other, allowing them to be integrated together into the same SoC. It’s to be noted that the A510, much like the X2, is a 64-bit only AArch64 core.

The most interesting aspect of the Cortex-A510 is the new merged-core approach. What Arm is doing here, is creating a new “complex” of up to two core pairs, which share the L2 cache system as well as the FP/NEON/SVE pipelines between them.

At first glance this will sound extremely similar to what AMD had done with Bulldozer and the CMT (Clustered Multithreading) approach, however Arm’s design is much more disaggregated in terms of what the actual cores are sharing. While AMD’s CMT module consisted essentially of a shared front-end between two integer back-ends and a single FP/SIMD back-end, Arm’s “merged cores” are actually full cores with their individual front-ends, mid-core, integer back-ends, and L1 cache hierarchies. The only thing being shared between the “cores” is the actual FP/SIMD back-end, as well as the L2 cache hierarchy.

Furthermore, while in the mobile market we expect vendors to use this new two merged cores per complex approach, it’s actually possible to simply just have a single core per complex. In which case the solo core would essentially have its own dedicated (non-shared) resources, but would be notably less area efficient than the intended merged core approach.

Generally, given the adoption of SVE2 and the relatively larger area footprint that the new execution backend requires, it makes sense to actually share these resources for these tiny new cores. Their typical workloads are also mostly only integer-bound background workloads which put less pressure on such units.

From a higher-level SoC standpoint, nothing really changes when it comes to the core-count, with the details being that we’ll be seeing two pairs or little cores now share a larger L2 cache between each other. This L2 can be configured up to 512KB, but as always, what we’ll actually see in products will very much depend on what vendors will want to implement into their designs. Because the new complex also only takes up a single interface on the DSU, it also opens up the possibility of designs larger than 8 “cores”, something I hope won’t happen, or hopefully only happens through more middle or big cores.

In terms of the front-end of the new A510, we’re seeing a 128-bit fetch pipeline which means it can fetch up to 4 instructions per cycle, giving the front-end a bit of leeway to close branch bubbles. The actual width of the decoder has increased from 2-wide to 3-wide.

In terms of branch prediction, as always Arm doesn’t disclose too many details, however the company did note that it used the same state-of-the-art approaches and techniques it uses on its larger cores. The L1 instruction cache can be either 32 or 64KB.

In terms of the shared vector execution back-end, it’s actually quite interesting here as Arm gives the option of either configuring the complex with smaller 2x64-bit pipelines or with 2x128b pipelines, the latter whose throughput would be 2x that of a Cortex-A55. I’m not too sure what mobile vendors will go with; we always hope for the larger configuration but as always, we’ll have to wait and see what will be employed in the actual products. In both configurations, the vector length is 128b as that’s the requirements for interoperability for the larger core microarchitectures.

Arm states that the shared pipelines are completely transparent to hardware, and that it’s also using fine-grained hardware scheduling. In actual multi-threaded workloads using both cores, the performance impact and deficit is said to only a few percent versus having a pipeline dedicated for each core. This is basically the cornerstone argument for why Arm has decided to use this more area-efficient merged-core approach.

Although it’s an in-order architecture, Arm has still widened the back-end of the Cortex-A510 which now includes 3 ALUs, one complex MAC/DIV unit and a branch forwarding port. The explanation here is simply that there’s more opportunities to execute a wider variety of code blocks in fewer cycles when there’s a fitting sequence of instructions coming in to be executed.

Finally, in the load-store system, the new structure is massively improved in comparison to the Cortex-A55 as we’re seeing a move from a load and store pipeline towards a load and a load/store pipeline, effectively doubling up on the number of loads executed per cycle. The width of the pipelines has also been increased with a doubling from 64b width to 128b width, so essentially load bandwidth compared to the Cortex-A55 is quadrupled.

The A510 also employs the similar very advanced prefetcher designs that we’ve seen in other recent big Arm cores, and adds to the large performance improvements that the core is able to achieve.

In terms of performance metrics, much like on the X2 and A710 presentation slides, the figures for the A510 aren’t very apples-to-apples as we’re comparing a Cortex-A55 with 32KB L1, 128KB L2 and 4MB L3 versus a Cortex-A510 with 32KB L1, 256KB L2 and 8MB L3. Frequency between the two cores is said to be the same. Under that scenario, we’re seeing +35% in SPECint2006 and +50% in SPECfp2006, which are seemingly very solid generational improvements, however given the cache hierarchy discrepancy as well as the fact that we’re comparing scores to a 4+ year old core, the actual improvements, especially from a compound annual growth rate (CAGR), doesn’t seem to be all that impressive.

Looking at the projected performance and power curves on an ISO-process comparison, the new A510 seems rather lackluster from an efficiency standpoint. The ISO-power and ISO-performance gains are respectively +10% performance and -20% power, but the latter is really only valid for the high-end of the A55’s frequency curve, all the while the A510 pretty much overlaps the A55’s curve at lower operating points. While the A510 offers overall better performance, this seems to mostly be a product of extending the efficiency curve to higher power levels, and I was frankly disappointed to see this.

We’ll have to wait for the new generation SoCs to actually hit the market for us to test the new A510 cores, but if indeed they come with larger power consumption operating points to achieve higher performance, then Arm won't be much nearer in catching up to what Apple has been doing with their efficiency cores. As of the latest generation of SoCs, Apple’s efficiency cores were around 4x faster than any Cortex-A55 based SoC. Which, running at roughly the same system active power, also made them 3-4x more efficient in the traditional benchmarks. As presented, a theoretical A510 SoC won't be able to close that efficiency gap at all.

Arm is still adamant that for the kind of general use-cases in which the little cores are used in mobile phones – such as very light UI workloads – that their little core approach is still the most power-efficient way to achieve the best “DoU” or days of use figures. This is based in part on their internal projections as well as their partners', all of which indicate that the the triple issue in-order design they've developed is the most efficient option.

As the team explains it, it’s actually extremely hard to reproduce these more real-world workloads in any more structured benchmark (such as the typical test suites we tend to employ), but admitted there’s no real alternative that one could use to isolate performance and efficiency in such tasks. Generally, my counter-argument here is that iPhones still have outstanding battery life, so I’m still extremely skeptical on the whole lower-performance in-order core approach versus a more efficiency focused OOO core as demonstrated by Apple. Especially since we don’t really have an independent way to really test Arm’s claims, and the only data points we do have paint a very different picture.

Arm does note that this generation also had a lot of work done in regards to architectural features, and that the A510 is merely a starting point in a series of generations that are planned to be updated in a more regular fashion versus the large 4–5-year gap we’ve seen with the Cortex-A55 (just to be explicit, Arm doesn’t promise yearly updates, but we’ll be seeing successors in a much faster timeline). Those successors will see continued improvements in performance and power efficiency.

For this upcoming generation, the one benefit of the new little cores will come in more mixed-load workloads. Due to the DVFS nature of the various cores in an SoC, most core groups of a given core type share the same voltage rail and operate at the same frequencies. If there’s a primary thread workload that is resident on the middle cores at higher (less efficient) frequency operating points, any further medium-performance demand secondary threads that in the past couldn’t be serviced by A55 cores would have had to be migrated over to that much less efficient operating point on another middle core. On the A510 with its higher peak performance points, the workload would now be still be resident on the newer little cores, greatly increasing execution efficiency than if they were to be scheduled on the middle cores.

Overall, I’m still feeling a bit underwhelmed by the new A510 core, particularly given the 4 years it took to design it. Let’s hope that the upcoming mobile SoCs will have more apparent efficiency to them when we're testing them in 2022 devices.

The Cortex-A710: More Performance with More Efficiency New DSU-110 L3 & Cluster: Massively More Bandwidth
Comments Locked

181 Comments

View All Comments

  • mode_13h - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link

    > I do not know what else and why would anyone hate x86 processors from Intel and AMD

    Love & hate don't enter into it, for many of us. Based on our understanding of the tech, we recognize that x86 is fighting a losing battle. Apple is merely interesting as the foremost of x86' competitors.

    > believe SPEC and Apple marketing PR.

    There are plenty of Mac app benchmarks now, between x86 and ARM-based Macs. It's not just the SPEC scores and PR.

    > People are using old school Xeon for home server

    Sure. More power to them! The picture gets more complicated for laptops, though.

    > to play damn latest games with community patches

    You can only do that with some games, and eventually you have to start dialing back the quality settings, when you go back far enough.

    For sure, x86 will be with us for at least another decade, in some fashion and degree. And the PC gamer will probably be one of the last holdouts.

    > Why would anyone hate the only processing standard ...

    Since you view this in terms of love/hate, why do you seem to hate ARM?

    > Yep they are dumb and ignorant for sure.

    Who said that? I think you're projecting.
  • mode_13h - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link

    Do you understand thath GeoffreyA was being sarcastic? I think he was poking fun at the very pitched battle that you seem to be walking right into!
  • Silver5urfer - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link

    Another bs as usual, show me any AT Andrei bench here which shows how that garbage M1 scales in SMT, he never includes that CPU in SMT / HT benchmarks and only in ST it shows up showing some perf. And it's not even breaking any AMD or Intel CPU, with TGL Intel clearly demonstrated they are ready for AMD, forger Apple.

    64Core Mac Pros ? haha lmao you think logic and transistors simply can expand as long as Apple can buy shills out, you have look at the density of the chip and the uArch scaling PLUS power planes for such huge amount of cores AND the Power envelope.

    M1 loses out AMD BGA processors and M1X, M2 do not exist today. We can also talk how AMD Genoa is going to increase cores to 80C and if you add SMT on that with on-die Chipset HBM TSMC 5N, it's a bloodbath for HEDT. Period. So Ryzen 5000 will smash the M1 to smithereens and blow it's ashes into air, wait for the Threadripper based on Milan to see even more catastrophic destruction of the M1, how are you even generalizing these high core count AMD and Intel CPUs on all computing devices, smells massive pile of dumbness.

    I wonder what x86 did to you to hate it so much, it brought PC to masses, and it gave you the power of a computer from big rooms to your own room and now we have DIY with full socketed HW to use, ARM garbage has no consumer end ddevices which are popular enough. One can buy the Fujitsu A64FX but it;s super expensive, and Graviton 2 is AWS only, Ampere announced full custom, so expect not possible to buy anytime soon and their old 80C platform is now outdated, what is that ARM is giving and empowering you ? the iPad you used to type or the iPhone ? which have zero filesystem access or the M1 which has no user replaceable components.
  • mode_13h - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link

    > I wonder what x86 did to you to hate it so much

    Tech is just a tool. I started out using MS DOS and then I moved on to Windows and Linux. I didn't hate DOS, but it had outlived its usefulness for me.

    > ARM garbage has no consumer end ddevices which are popular enough.

    Laptops, so far. Mini PCs are probably just around the corner. Mediatek is licensed Nvidia's GPU IP and has talked about building ARM-based gaming machines.

    Intel and AMD could also get into the ARM race, and they could eventually make socketed processors. Certainly, any server processors will be socketed, but I mean for DIYers.
  • melgross - Thursday, May 27, 2021 - link

    You have serious problems.
  • mdriftmeyer - Friday, May 28, 2021 - link

    Genoa is known already at 96 cores and patents have them up to 128 cores.
  • The_Assimilator - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link

    According to you ARM-bros, x86 has been dead every year for the past two decades. So excuse me if I don't put much stock in your particular brand of wankery - especially since Arm IPC improvements have hit a wall at the 3GHz mark.
  • mode_13h - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link

    > every year for the past two decades

    two decades ???

    > Arm IPC improvements have hit a wall at the 3GHz mark.

    Yeah, it's a fair point but also kind of irrelevant. Wider, shallower cores tend to clock lower. For mobile and servers, that works out better, since perf/W is a key metric for them. It's mostly just desktops and workstations where you have the luxury of clocking as high as you want. Even HPC is really starting to focus on energy-efficiency.

    As for the relevance of IPC and clocks, what really counts is single- and multi- thread performance. The user just cares how fast it goes and potentially how much power it burns or heat it churns out.
  • GeoffreyA - Thursday, May 27, 2021 - link

    It's interesting to see whether Intel and AMD will ever dial back the clocks in their quest for wider, weightier cores.
  • mode_13h - Saturday, May 29, 2021 - link

    Well, AMD's Zen cores have never clocked as high as Intel's, but Zen2 and Zen3 have been enjoying more perf/W and are also wider than Intel's. For Intel's part, they added more width in Sunny Cove.

    Increasing clock speed is a fairly reliable, straight forward way to raise performance over a wide variety of workloads. It's just not great in perf/W.

    And to the extent that narrower cores use less silicon, that make them cheaper to produce.

Log in

Don't have an account? Sign up now