IGP: 720p Gaming Tests

Testing our Cezanne sample for integrated graphics is a double-edged sword – AMD fully expects this CPU to be paired with a discrete solution in almost all notebook environments, whereas mini-PC designs might be a mix of integrated and discrete. The integrated graphics on this silicon is more geared towards the U-series processors at 15 W, and so that is where the optimizations lie. We encountered a similar environment when we tested Renoir at 35 W last year as well.

In order to enable the integrated graphics on our ASUS ROG Flex X13 system, we disable the GTX 1650 through the device manager. This forces the system to run on the Vega 8 graphics inside, which for this processor runs at 2100 MHz, a +350 MHz jump from the previous generation based on the improved power management and minor manufacturing improvements. We did the same to the other systems in our test suite.

Integrated graphics over the years has been built up from something barely useable in a 2D desktop environment to hardware that can competitively run the most popular eSports titles at good resolutions, medium settings, at playable framerates. In our recent review of AMD’s Ryzen 4000G Desktop APUs, we noted that these were the best desktop APUs that money could buy, held back at this point mostly by the memory bandwidth, but still enabling some good performance. Ultimately modern day integrated graphics has cannibalized the sub-$100 GPU market, and these sorts of processors work great in budget builds. There’s still a way to go on performance, and at least mobile processors help in that regard as more systems push to LPDDR4X memory systems that afford better memory bandwidth.

For our integrated graphics testing, we’re using our lowest configuration for our game comparisons. This typically means the lowest resolution and graphics fidelity settings we can get away with, which to be honest is still a lot better visually than when I used to play Counter Strike 1.5 with my dual core netbook in the late 2000s. From there the goal is to showcase some good graphics performance tied in with CPU performance to see where the limits are – even at 720p on Low settings, some of these processors are still graphics limited.

Integrated Graphics Benchmark Results
AnandTech Ryzen 9
5980HS
Ryzen 9
4900HS
Ryzen 7
4800U
Core i7
1185G7
Power Mode 35 W 35 W 15 W 28-35 W
Graphics Vega 8 Vega 8 Vega 8 Iris Xe
Memory LP4-4267 D4-3200 LP4-4267 LP4-4267
Frames Per Second Averages
Civilization 6 480p Min 101.7 98.9 68.4 66.2
Deus Ex: MD 600p Min 80.7 76.5 61.2 69.1
Final Fantasy XV 720p Med 31.4 31.3 29.1 36.5
Strange Brigade 720p Low 93.2 85.2 75.7 89.3
Borderlands 3 360p VLow 89.8 93.6 - 64.9
Far Cry 5 360p Low 68.0 69.5 60.0 61.3
GTA 5 720p Low 98.9 80.7 80.0 81.9
Gears Tactics 720p Low 86.8 - 87.8 118.2
95th Frame Time Percentiles (shown as FPS)
Civilization 6 480p Min 69.0 67.4 45.7 43.8
Deus Ex: MD 600p Min 45.6 57.3 38.1 44.1
Final Fantasy XV 720p Med - 26.6 24.6 26.5
Strange Brigade 768p Min 84.2 77.0 68.6 73.0
Borderlands 3 360p VLow 63.6 73.8 - 48.9
Far Cry 5 360p Low 50.3 62.3 43.8 49.8
GTA 5 720p Low 66.8 52.8 56.0 55.7
Gears Tactics 720p Low 67.5 - 78.3 104.5

Despite the Ryzen 9 5980HS having LPDDR4X memory and extra frequency, the performance uplift against the Ryzen 9 4900HS is relatively mediocre – a few FPS at best, or losing a few FPS at worst. This is except for GTA, where the uplift is more ~20%, with the Zen 3 cores helping most here. In most tests it’s an easy win against Intel’s top Xe solution, except in Gears Tactics, which sides very heavily with the Intel solution.

With all that being said, as mentioned, the Ryzen 9 parts here are more likely to be paired with discrete graphics solutions. The ASUS ROG Flow X13 we are using today has a GTX 1650, whereas the ASUS Zephyrus G14 with the 4900HS has an RTX 2060. These scenarios are what really dictate the cooling solution in these systems, as well as how they are both used in workloads that requires CPU and GPU performance.

For any users confused as to why we run at these settings; these are our low 'IGP'-class settings in our CPU Gaming test format. As mentioned in our new CPU Suite article in the middle of last year, our CPU Gaming tests have four sets of settings: 720p Low (or Lower), 1440p Low, 4K Low, and 1080p Maximum. The segment above our lowest this in our suite is 1440p, which for a lot of these integrated GPUs would put numbers into the low double digits, if not lower, which something we've done in the past to massive complaints about why even bothering with such low framerate numbers. The point here is to work from a maximum frame rate, see if the game is even playable to begin with, and then detect where in a game the bottleneck can be; in some of these tests we're still dealing with GPU/DRAM bottlenecks. I've played CSS1.5 and other games at a Lan party on dual core AMD netbooks in the late 2000s, having to use low resolution texture packs to get it even 20 FPS playable. I still had masses amount of fun. From these numbers you can see the best possible frame rates for a given title and engine, and work down from there. It provides a starting point for further directions. These processors more often being paired with discrete solutions anyway, making discussions about IGP performance almost somewhat trivial compared to the rest of the data/

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  • Zizy - Tuesday, January 26, 2021 - link

    I wonder what is the point of new chips with old Zen2. 15% die size difference is meaningful but is that sufficient reason to bother (re)designing? As for the 5980HS, CPU part is pretty great when allowed to run at 35W. "Silent mode" is sometimes great but somewhat weird too - eg CB20MT shows a huge delta between the modes. Now lets just hope AMD/TSMC will manage to actually produce enough of these chips.
  • ToTTenTranz - Tuesday, January 26, 2021 - link

    "I wonder what is the point of new chips with old Zen2. "

    Diversified offer.
    Fully operational Renoir is an arguably better performer than a flawed Cezanne with disabled units, and it's cheaper to make.
  • drothgery - Tuesday, January 26, 2021 - link

    But how much cheaper? Zen 3's not that much of a bigger die than Zen 2, and it's fabbed on the same process.
  • SaturnusDK - Wednesday, January 27, 2021 - link

    How much cheaper? Until stocks last is my guess.
  • Spunjji - Thursday, January 28, 2021 - link

    I'd be interested in whether any of these differences in Lucienne are physical design alterations, as opposed to VRM / BIOS alterations, along with maybe some enabling of silicon that wasn't functional in Renoir for some reason.

    Either way, Lucienne's probably slightly more than 15% cheaper to make - not sure whether that would make up for the costs of extra masks and design work, though.
  • Farfolomew - Thursday, February 4, 2021 - link

    Ian mentions in the article that he thinks AMD was stockpiling Renoir chips all of last year in order to make a big push with the 5000 series. Is it possible that the stockpiled chips are these Zen2 "Lucienne" variety and once they sell out of them, that's all there will be? I wonder if AMD is having TSMC manufacture new Lucienne chips. I mean, why would you make something that's inferior, if it's on the same exact node as a better product (Cezanne)?
  • e36Jeff - Tuesday, January 26, 2021 - link

    saving money. The Zen2 chips offer the power savings that Zen3 got with an already established design. That lets AMD sell them cheaper, and, lets face it, 95% of the end users out there would likely be blown away by a 5700U.

    On top of that, I would wager the Zen2 chips are a 100% straight drop in upgrade for any existing 4000 series mobile designs, possibly even with little to no BIOS update needed(beyond adding the CPU ID). That lets OEMs show off a Ryzen 5000 laptop with zero extra investment needed.
  • antonkochubey - Tuesday, January 26, 2021 - link

    New chips with old Zen2 aren't really new chips, they're the same silicon and stepping, just running a newer firmware.
  • jospoortvliet - Wednesday, January 27, 2021 - link

    Read the review - there are lots of changes besides the cores that supposedly are also in the non-zen 3 5000 chips - given they also get the faster vega this seems true. I do agree it is weird..
  • GeoffreyA - Wednesday, January 27, 2021 - link

    From a personal point of view, I don't like this mixing of Zen 2 and 3, not at all, and certainly won't be glad of their continuing this practice; but it does make good sense. In a way, elegant.

    In this case, it helps to look at the cores as hidden, abstracted, a black box. Now, if such and such model fits its notch on the performance scale (5800U > 5700U > 5600U), then it shouldn't make much difference whether it's Zen 2 or 3 behind the doors. Sort of like an implementation detail.

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