Conclusion & End Remarks

The server landscape is changing very quickly. While the promise of Arm servers for many years has been just that – this year’s introduction of the Graviton2 marked the tipping point where Arm server chips no longer represented a niche use-case, but rather a real – and competitive option. The only problem with Graviton2 was that this was an internal Amazon-only solution – so you couldn’t really say it was an option against AMD or Intel.

That’s where Ampere Computing steps in, positioning themselves as an open merchant silicon vendor, and the first to use and deploy Arm’s new Neoverse CPU line-up in such a way. The Altra QuickSilver being the very first attempt at this, truly hits it out of the park and matches the high expectations of the silicon.

Ampere’s approach is significantly more aggressive, with more performance, and more power, than what the Graviton2 aimed for – the new 80-core Q80-33 flagship SKU essentially has managed to match the performance of AMD’s flagship Rome chip – the 64-core EPYC 7742. While personally that didn’t surprise me much, I could imagine that for many readers out there this to come as an unexpected turn of events.

The Altra Q80-33 sometimes beats the EPYC 7742, and loses out sometimes – depending the workload. The Altra’s strengths lie in compute-bound workloads where having 25% more cores is an advantage. The Neoverse-N1 cores clocked at 3.3GHz can more than match the per-core performance of Zen2 inside the EPYC CPUs.

There are still workloads in which the Altra doesn’t do as well – anything that puts higher cache pressure on the cores will heavily favours the EPYC as while 1MB per core L2 is nice to have, 32MB of L3 shared amongst 80 cores isn’t very much cache to go around. Generally, I think the mesh interconnect remains a weak-point for this generation of Neoverse products and there’s improvements to be done in the next iteration of designs.

Today we’ve tested the Wiwynn based “Mount Jade” 2S Ampere Altra server – the Altra’s support for dual-socket platforms is functional, but relying on CCIX instead of a native coherency protocol between CPU cores in the two sockets means that performance isn’t nearly as good as the scaling we see from AMD or Intel. The single-socket “Mount Snow” Altra platforms as well as the platform solutions from GIGABYTE might be a better option for some deployments.

In terms of power-efficiency, the Q80-33 really operates at the far end of the frequency/voltage curves at 3.3GHz. While the TDP of 250W really isn’t comparable to the figures of AMD and Intel are publishing, as average power consumption of the Altra in many workloads is well below that figure – ranging from 180 to 220W – let’s say a 200W median across a variety of workloads, with few workloads actually hitting that peak 250W. I would say that yes, the Altra does have a power efficiency advantage over AMD’s EPYC platform, but not something that is overly significant enough to say that it completely changes the landscape.

Ampere 1st Gen Altra 'QuickSilver'
Product List
AnandTech Cores Frequency TDP PCIe DDR4 Price
Q80-33
(Tested)
80 3.3 GHz 250 W 128x G4 8 x 3200 $4050
Q80-30 80 3.0 GHz 210 W 128x G4 8 x 3200 $3950
Q80-26 80 2.6 GHz 175 W 128x G4 8 x 3200 $3810
Q80-23 80 2.3 GHz 150 W 128x G4 8 x 3200 $3700
Q72-30 72 3.0 GHz 195 W 128x G4 8 x 3200 $3590
Q64-33 64 3.3 GHz 220 W 128x G4 8 x 3200 $3810
Q64-30 64 3.0 GHz 180 W 128x G4 8 x 3200 $3480
Q64-26 64 2.6 GHz 125 W 128x G4 8 x 3200 $3260
Q64-24 64 2.4 GHz 95 W 128x G4 8 x 3200 $3090
Q48-22 48 2.2 GHz 85 W 128x G4 8 x 3200 $2200
Q32-17 32 1.7 GHz 45 W 128x G4 8 x 3200 $800

Where Ampere and the Altra definitely is beating AMD in is TCO, or total cost of ownership. Taking the flagship models as comparison points – the Q80-33 costs only $4050 which generally matching the performance of AMD’s EPYC 7742 which still comes in at $6950, essentially 42% cheaper. Of course, performance/$ will vary depending on workloads, but the Altra’s performance is so good that I don’t think it really changes the narrative of that large a cost difference. We’re really on basing this on both companies’ MSRP prices and we know for a fact many customers will be paying less than that for volume purchases and relying on discounts, but that can also apply to Ampere and the Altra.

One will note I didn’t make any mention of Intel yet - Intel’s current Xeon offering simply isn’t competitive in any way or form at this moment in time. Cascade Lake is twice as slow and half as efficient – so unless Intel is giving away the chips at a fraction of a price, they really make no sense. Ice Lake-SP is around the corner, but I don’t expect it to manage to bridge the performance or efficiency gap. Ampere and AMD here have free reign on the server market share – with Ampere having to cross the hurdle to convince customers to switch over from x86 to Arm.

Ampere is already shipping Altra systems to customers, with Oracle’s cloud business being the first big notable win for the company – signifying already very positive reactions in the market.

What we need to keep in mind though, is that today’s comparisons were against AMD’s EPYC 7742 which was launched almost 15 months ago. Rome’s successor, Milan, is already shipping to customers and has already started hitting the channel, and we expect to hear more about the Zen3-based EPYC chips in the coming weeks. I’m not expecting major leaps, but a 20% performance bump is pretty much a safe bet to make – it would beat the Q80-33 in more workloads and shift the balance a bit – but Ampere’s aggressive pricing would still be something for AMD to worry about.

What really excites me, is the potential of future Altra designs. Ampere has already announced that Altra-Max “Mystique” will be coming in 2021 – essentially a 128-core version of the same Neoverse-N1 platform used in the QuickSilver design today. We’ll have to see how that scales, but it’ll certainly be a compute monster. The real big deal will be the 5nm 2022 “Siryn” design – if Ampere adopts the Neoverse-V1 CPU core from Arm, and I hope they will, then that would signify at minimum  a +50% performance uplift, which is massive.

The Altra overall is an astounding achievement – the company has managed to meet, and maybe even surpass all expectations out of this first-generation design. With one fell swoop Ampere managed to position itself as a top competitor in the server CPU market. The Arm server dream is no longer a dream, it’s here today, and it’s real.

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  • Silver5urfer - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    25% more cores for Zen2 7742 class. If paired with multi socket and then Milan drop in this is not going to be any major breakthrough.

    "The Arm server dream is no longer a dream, it’s here today, and it’s real." lol so until today all the articles on the ARM are not real I guess.

    Anyways I will wait for market penetration of this with server share and then see how great ARM is and how bad x86 is going to be as from AT's narrative recently.
  • Spunjji - Monday, December 21, 2020 - link

    Are you this mopey every time there's a paradigm-shift in the tech industry? Feel free to keep looking for metrics that "prove" you right, but eventually it's going to be a very hard search.
  • eastcoast_pete - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    Thanks Andrei! Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree here, but I find the "baby" server chip in that lineup particularly interesting. Nowhere near as fast as this, of course, but for $ 800, it might make for a nice CPU for a basic server setup; nothing fancy, but low TdP, and would probably get the job done. The question here is how expensive the MB for those would be.
    Lastly, if Ampere sends you one of those $ 800 ones, could/would you test it?
  • Wilco1 - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    They will likely sell desktops using these just like the previous generation, but they are not cheap as it is high-end server gear using expensive ECC memory (and lots of it since there are 8 channels). If you don't need the fastest then there is eg. NVIDIA Xavier or LX2160A (16x A72) boards for around $500.
  • Spunjji - Monday, December 21, 2020 - link

    I think those are probably most useful for workloads that are pathologically memory and/or I/O limited - 4TB per socket, save ~$3000 over the faster CPU, benefit from power savings over the life of the server.
  • twtech - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    Ironically, AMD's opportunity to win might turn into an ultimate loss - Intel's manufacturing advantage kept x86 relevant, and with access to the x86 instruction set limited by ownership of the IP, AMD lived alongside Intel in that walled garden.

    With the manufacturing advantage gone however, Apple has left the garden, and maybe other personal computers won't be far behind - software compatibility I think is actually less of an issue in the era of SaaS and continuous updates. Ie. you were going to have to download new versions of the software you use as time went on anyway.
  • FunBunny2 - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    "you were going to have to download new versions of the software you use as time went on anyway."

    Solar Wind? :)
  • lorribot - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    This is all great but when all licencing is per core it limits the usage scenarios or benefits of these developments as they can really only be used with open source type licences.
    For the rest of us on Windows, Oracle, Java, Apple, IBM, etc licencing it doesn't bring anything to the table.
  • The_Assimilator - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    Just in time to be obsoleted by Milan.
  • Spunjji - Monday, December 21, 2020 - link

    For a given definition of "obsoleted", where it means "still more than competitive in performance per dollar at a lower price of entry".

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