Power Delivery Thermal Analysis

A lot more focus has been put onto power delivery specifications and capabilities, not just by manufacturers, but as a result of users demands. In addition to the extra power benefits from things like overclocking, more efficient designs in power deliveries and cooling solutions aim to bring temperatures down. Although this isn't something most users ever need to worry about, certain enthusiasts are bringing more focus onto each board's power delivery. The more premium models tend to include bigger and higher-grade power deliveries, with bigger and more intricate heatsink designs, with some even providing water blocks.

Testing Methodology

Our method of testing out if the power delivery and its heatsink are effective at dissipating heat, is by running an intensely heavy CPU workload for a prolonged method of time. We apply an overclock which is deemed safe and at the maximum that the silicon on our testbed processor allows. We then run the Prime95 with AVX2 enabled under a torture test for an hour at the maximum stable overclock we can which puts insane pressure on the processor. We collect our data via three different methods which include the following:

  • Taking a thermal image from a birds-eye view after an hour with a Flir Pro thermal imaging camera
  • Securing two probes on to the rear of the PCB, right underneath CPU VCore section of the power delivery for better parity in case a probe reports a faulty reading
  • Taking a reading of the VRM temperature from the sensor reading within the HWInfo monitoring application

The reason for using three different methods is that some sensors can read inaccurate temperatures, which can give very erratic results for users looking to gauge whether an overclock is too much pressure for the power delivery handle. With using a probe on the rear, it can also show the efficiency of the power stages and heatsinks as a wide margin between the probe and sensor temperature can show that the heatsink is dissipating heat and that the design is working, or that the internal sensor is massively wrong. To ensure our probe was accurate before testing, I binned 10 and selected the most accurate (within 1c of the actual temperature) for better parity in our testing.

To recreate a real-world testing scenario, the system is built into a conventional desktop chassis which is widely available. This is to show and alleviate issues when testing on open testbeds which we have done previously, which allows natural airflow to flow over the power delivery heatsinks. It provides a better comparison for the end-user and allows us to mitigate issues where heatsinks have been designed with airflow in mind, and those that have not. The idea of a heatsink is to allow effective dissipation of heat and not act as an insulator, with much more focus from consumers over the last couple of years on power delivery componentry and performance than in previous years.

For thermal images, we use a Flir One camera as it gives a good indication of where the heat is generated around the socket area, as some designs use different configurations and an evenly spread power delivery with good components will usually generate less heat. Manufacturers who use inefficient heatsinks and cheap out on power delivery components should run hotter than those who have invested. Of course, a $700 flagship motherboard is likely to outperform a cheaper $100 model under the same testing conditions, but it is still worth testing to see which vendors are doing things correctly. 


The 6+1 power delivery on the Supermicro X12SAE

The Supermicro X12SAE is using a 7-phase design which is operating in a 6+1 configuration. It is using six Monolithic Power Systems MPSJ10 MOSFETs for the CPU VCore, and one MPSJ10 for the SoC. Controlling this power delivery is an MPS2975, which looks to be a new part and the official specifications are not currently available. It is likely to be a newer version of the MPS2965 which is a dual output controller with seven phases supported in total. Cooling the power delivery is a thin aluminum heatsink which is connected via plastic push through clasps.

Thermal Analysis Results

When it comes to power deliveries on models such as this one, they are generally built to specification for the purpose they serve. While not fanciful and overcompensating for extra voltage, they do the job. Motherboards designed for mass systems like the W480 green-PCB models tend to filter in one of two ways - incredibly good server-class power delivery (which Supermicro often says is due to its deep experience within the server world), or built down to a price in order to meet those market demands. Either way, these boards are often built with a specific chassis (or 1U server) with the airflow characteristics in mind, and the power delivery is often built to reflect that design.


We measured 66.6°C on the hottest part of the PCB which was around the CPU socket

The way in which we test boards such as the Supermicro X12SAE differs from how we test conventional desktop models. Firstly, the W480 chipset doesn't include support for overclocking, so we're limited to the default settings. Secondly. motherboards like this generally focus on building elements to specification so that they work out of the box. This means the "INSERT" power delivery on the X12SAE can handle and deliver the performance expected from the top tier CPU that it officially supports. 

After running Prime95 with the smallest FFTs with AVX loads enabled which is designed to put plenty of stress on our W-1270, we got a reading of 71°C from our K-type thermocouple. We observed a maximum temperature of 66.6°C from our FLIR thermal imaging camera, and as is seen from the above image, the heat is distributed around the CPU and power delivery area quite evenly. The bulk of the heat is emanating from the power delivery area, which is cooled by a slim aluminum finned heatsink. Compared to consumer class heatsinks, this seems woefully inadequate, however Supermicro has used some efficient power delivery components here, and the heatsink is built with a specific airflow in mind.

Possible CPU Sensor Issue

When fully loading our Intel Xeon W-1270 processor, increasing temperatures as the load was increased, we saw that we would enable Supermicro's integrated sensor to beep, as a warning. Upon loading up HWiNFO and retesting, we noticed that the CPU temperature reading within HWiNFO would occasionally be inconsistent, and would sometimes not even register a temperature reading. At other times it would underestimate the temperature moving it into sub-zero temperature with a reading of -66°C. This would cause the system to beep, as the sensor was out of range.

We're unsure if this is down to the monitoring tools, or a specific faulty/temperamental sensor on this specific model. The X12SAE performed well under our thermal testing and none of the performance benchmarks seem affected. We ensured we had the latest BIOS, and even implemented extra cooling to the CPU and socket area, but the problem was still occasionally there. (Note, Ian tested the board in his office the week prior and didn't see this issue in his automated testing, so we're pretty sure this might just be a semi-failed sensor.)

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  • Operandi - Friday, December 11, 2020 - link

    **meant to reply here**

    Point being why even review this in the context of a world where the platform AMD exists? From a feature and performance stance AMD is better on both. Unless there is something Supermicro has that other board vendors don't as I don't think Supermicro has a "workstation" AM4 board but still, so what...
  • Oxford Guy - Friday, December 11, 2020 - link

    Products deserve reviews even if the reviews show them to be less compelling versus the competition. For a general audience, the competitiveness factor should be mentioned. For more niche audiences it's not necessarily necessary.
  • Jorgp2 - Sunday, December 13, 2020 - link

    >Point being why even review this in the context of a world where the platform AMD exists?

    AMD exists?

    Last time i checked there were only two AM4 workstation boards, and they're both made by supermicro.
  • Oxford Guy - Tuesday, December 15, 2020 - link

    "Last time i checked there were only two AM4 workstation boards, and they're both made by supermicro."

    How many does a person need to pick from? Just one means the company is present in the niche. And, when a company isn't present but could be that is also noteworthy context.
  • FLHerne - Friday, December 11, 2020 - link

    AMD doesn't officially validate ECC on Ryzen processors. Most motherboards don't support it at all, and the ones that do are on a "this seems to work" basis, which isn't how corporate IT does things. There've been many reports of Ryzen setups where ECC appears to be fully enabled in the BIOS and hardware but doesn't actually report memory errors.

    Threadripper has proper support for ECC, but is far above the price range of CPUs mentioned in this article.

    There are also a handful of workloads where Intel processors do outperform the AMD price-equivalent, most obviously things using AVX512.
  • Oxford Guy - Friday, December 11, 2020 - link

    Amazon is currently selling TR 2950X at $590, although that is a clear-out price.

    So, that takes the 2950X near to the W-1290P in terms of price while being a 16/32 chip rather than 6/12. The TR is probably not as good for things like high-frequency trading but should kill the Intel in the heavily threaded stuff.

    Not so relevant for big business since those parts are probably rather limited in terms of stock but relevant to individual shoppers.
  • Oxford Guy - Friday, December 11, 2020 - link

    "e.g. 1290p is 10 cores, 20 threads."

    Okay... so a bit less drastic of a difference.
  • AntonErtl - Saturday, December 12, 2020 - link

    Concerning the "many reports", where do I find them? And if there are no failures, I would not expect any error reports. And while reports are useful to find broken DIMMs, the most important feature of ECC memory is that errors are corrected. In any case, in my testing I did see errors reported to the OS.
  • AdrianBc - Saturday, December 12, 2020 - link

    While you are mostly right, nonetheless there are a few Ryzen motherboards that are sold as server motherboards or as workstation motherboards, so at least for the motherboards, full ECC support is claimed.

    For example, I am using since last year a workstation motherboard that directly competes with the one reviewed: ASUS Pro WS X570-ACE.

    I am using it with ECC memory, and I have verified that it works OK.
  • AdrianBc - Saturday, December 12, 2020 - link

    And have I forgotten to add that with this Ryzen workstation MB I have replaced precisely a Supermicro workstation MB, the predecessor from the X11 series of the one reviewed. Obviously with excellent results.

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