Core-to-Core Latency: Issues with the Core i5

For Intel’s Comet Late 10th Gen Core parts, the company is creating two different silicon dies for most of the processor lines: one with 10 cores and one with 6 cores. In order to create the 8 and 4 core parts, different cores will be disabled. This isn’t anything new, and has happened for the best part of a decade across both AMD and Intel in order to minimize the number of new silicon designs, and also to build in a bit of redundancy into the silicon and enable most of the wafer to be sold even if defects are found.

For Comet Lake, Intel is splitting the silicon such that all 10-core Core i9 and 8-core Core i7 processors are built from the 10c die, as is perhaps expected, and the 6-core Core i5 and 4-core Core i3 processors are built from the 6c die. The only exception to these rules are the Core i5-10600K/KF processors which will use the 10-core die with four cores disabled, giving six cores total. This leads to a potential issue.

So imagine a 10c die as two columns of five cores, capped on each end by the System Agent (DRAM, IO) and Graphics, creating a ring of 12 stops that data has to go through to reach other parts of the silicon. Let us start simple, and imagine disabling two cores to make an 8c processor. It can be pretty straightforward to guess the best/worst case scenario in order to get the best/worst core-to-core latency

The other worst 8c case might be to keep Core 0 enabled, and then disable Core 1 and Core 2, leaving Core 3-9 enabled.

We can then disable four cores from the original 10 core setup. It can be any four cores, so imagine another worst case and a best case scenario.

On the left we have the absolute best case arrangement that minimizes all core-to-core latency. In the middle is the absolute worst case, with any contact to the first core in the top left being a lot higher latency with more distance to travel from any core. On the right is an unbalanced design, but perhaps a lower variance in latency.

When Intel disables cores to create these 8c and 6c designs, the company has in the past promised that any disabling would leave the rest of the processor ‘with similar performance targets’, and that while different individual units might have different cores disabled, they should all fall within a reasonable spectrum.

So let us start with our Core i5-10600K core-to-core latency chart.

Cores next door seem well enough, then as we make longer trips around the ring, it takes about 1 nanosecond longer for each stop. Until those last two cores that is, where we get a sudden 4 nanosecond jump. It’s clear that the processor we have here as a whole is lopsided in its core-to-core latency and if any thread gets put onto those two cores at the end, there might be some questionable performance.

Now it’s very easy to perhaps get a bit heated with this result. Unfortunately we don’t have an ‘ideal’ 6c design to compare it against, which makes comparisons on performance to be a bit tricky. But it does mean that there is likely to be variation between different Core i5-10600K samples.

The effect still occurs on the 8-core Core i7-10700K, however it is less pronounced.

There’s still a sizeable jump between the 3 cores at the end compared to the other five cores. One of the unfortunate downsides with the test is that the enumeration of the cores won’t correspond to any physical location, so it might be difficult to narrow down the exact layout of the chip.

Moving up to the big 10-core processor yields an interesting result:

So while we should have a steadily increasing latency here, there’s still that 3-4 nanosecond jump with two of the cores. This points to a different but compounding issue.

Our best guess is that these two extra cores are not optimized for this sort of ring design in Comet Lake. For their Core lineup of processors, Intel has been using a ring bus as the principle interconnect between its cores for over a decade, and we typically see them on four and six core processors. Intel also used a ring bus in its enterprise processors for many years, with chips up to 24 cores, however those designs used dual-ring buses in order to keep core-to-core latency down. Intel has put up to 12 cores on a single ring, though broadly speaking the company seems to prefer keeping designs to 8 or fewer cores per ring.

If Intel could do it for those enterprise chips, then why not for the 10 core Comet Lake designs here? We suspect it is because the original ring design that went into consumer Skylake processors, while it was for four cores, doesn’t scale linearly as the core count increases. There is a noticeable increase in the latency as we move from four to six and six to eight core silicon designs, but a ten-core ring is just a step too far, and additional repeaters are required in the ring in order to support the larger size.

There could also be an explanation relating to these cores also having additional function on that section of the ring, such as sharing duties with IO parts of the core, or PCIe lanes, and as a result extra cycles are required for any additional cacheline transfers.

We are realistically reaching the limits of any ring-line interconnect for Intel’s Skylake consumer line processors here. If Intel were to create a 12-core version of Skylake consumer for a future processor, a single ring interconnect won’t be able to handle it without an additional latency penalty, which might be more of a penalty if the ring isn't tuned for the size. There's also a bandwidth issue, as the same ring and memory has to support more cores. If Intel continue down this path, they will either have to use dual rings, use a different interconnect paradigm altogether (mesh, chiplet), or move to a new microarchitecture and interconnect design completely.

Frequency Ramps

We also performed our frequency ramps on all three processors. Nothing much to say here – all three CPUs went from 800 MHz idle to peak frequency in 16 milliseconds, or one frame at 60 Hz. We saw the peak turbo speeds on all the parts.

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  • watzupken - Wednesday, May 20, 2020 - link

    Sorry for typo, its a 28 core, not 20 core.
  • blaktron - Wednesday, May 20, 2020 - link

    No one else wondering how Ian manages to get only a 5% drop in performance going from h264 Faster to h265 Fast? That should be well over a 50% drop, and suggests he is running his HEVC tests with an H264 profile.

    Am I crazy here or is the idea that an 8 core CPU gets 200 fps h265/HEVC encoding just plain wrong?
  • WaWaThreeFIVbroS - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link

    This place is owned by the dudes running tomshardware, what do u expect
  • Icehawk - Saturday, May 23, 2020 - link

    I have asked numerous times how they get HEVC #s as they are almost quadruple what I get. 3900x gets in the 70s encoding and my 8700 was in the 60s. I can only guess they use the hardware encoders which isn’t how anyone who cares about quality is going to do it and doesn’t show the full cpu vs cpu difference, it shows the built in encoder. But Anand still thinks people who bother to read CPU reviews don’t use XMP.
  • lucasdclopes - Wednesday, May 20, 2020 - link

    "Intel's turbo has a recommended length of 56 seconds according to the specification sheets, and on our test system here, the motherboard manfuacturer is confident that its power delivery can support a longer-than-56 second turbo time. "
    So performance of those chips will have significant differences depending on the motherboard? Maybe cheaper boards will result in worse sustained performance then.
  • jcc5169 - Wednesday, May 20, 2020 - link

    Intel fanboys are gasping for air, looking for excuses not to buy the obvious choice, AMD
  • DannyH246 - Wednesday, May 20, 2020 - link

    www.IntelTech.com does it again!! Every element designed to show Intel in the best possible way.
    How about this instead...
    The Core i9-10900K's is priced so that its clear competitor is the Ryzen 9 3900X. However AMD offering is still >=15% cheaper, offers PCIe 4.0 compatibility, uses less power, is more secure and can be used on older, cheaper boards that also support the 16-core 3950X allowing for an upgrade path. The Core i9 is a moderately reasonable chip at best, however as it requires a new motherboard it is effectively a dead end.
  • vanilla_gorilla - Wednesday, May 20, 2020 - link

    I always know it's a good review when half of the comments claim the author is an Intel shill and the other half claim they are an AMD shill.
  • Beany2013 - Wednesday, May 20, 2020 - link

    Ain't it beautiful?

    Honestly, I'm kinda surprised how well Intel has managed to maintain their performance on a pure math basis, but oh *goodness* that power usage.

    I think things will get really interesting when intel hit the sub 10nm* process (by which time AMD should be on 5nm*) and we'll see how much fight both Intel and AMD both have.

    That it means we can all get solid multicore, multithread (fucking finally) CPUs from both vendors at prices that can be described as 'not entirely crazy' is a win win no matter which side of the fence you're on.

    Steven R
  • Beany2013 - Wednesday, May 20, 2020 - link

    * yeah, nm is a bit of a poor measurement these days, but you get the idea.

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