The Battering Ram of Time

A wouldn’t say a lot, but at least some discussion has been permeating through the airwaves since the Ryzen 3000 desktop launch as to what AMD was going to do in its sub-$200 space. Not having a latest generation product in a very active part of the market was missing from the portfolio, but initially AMD was happy for its previous generation CPUs and APUs to fill that role.

There were two schools of thought. The first is that AMD would launch lower core count CPUs, despite having a supposedly high yielding chiplet design that was going straight into its highest margin server product portfolio. Building a low core count chiplet design also incurs the added cost of bringing a chiplet and an IO die together in packaging, further decreasing margins. It seemed unlikely at the time.

The second school of thought would be that AMD would populate this part of the market with desktop versions of the Ryzen 4000 mobile APUs. These monolithic parts had integrated graphics, and would very likely easily scale from 45 W to 65 W for the desktop. Like previous APUs there would only be 8 PCIe lanes for external graphics, but for this generation also only PCIe 3.0 due to how the mobile APUs were powered.

Personally I assumed the second one, and that AMD would ignore the CPUs and go straight in for the APUs. I was perhaps unprepared for the apparent success of AMD’s mobile chips in the laptop space. We’ve reviewed the ASUS Zephyrus G14, a true flagship AMD notebook, and the Acer Swift 3, offering mind-bending performance and quality for the price. AMD is promoting 100+ design wins on Ryzen Mobile in 2020, global pandemic permitting, and the OEMs are jumping on the bandwagon it seems.

As we’ve shown in the review, this means that we get some CPUs. The Ryzen 3 3300X and Ryzen 3 3100 are odd elements to the Ryzen family, especially the 3100 with its awkward CCX and core configuration, but both parts offer a lot of performance for their pricing. At $120 and $99 respectively, using AMD’s latest Zen 2 microarchitecture and the power efficient 7nm TSMC process, AMD is defining a new baseline in budget performance.

This is personified in very much in comparing the AMD Ryzen 3 3300X to Intel’s flagship consumer processor from 2017.

Three years and four months ago at CES, Intel launched to great fanfare its Kaby Lake processor family, with the Core i7-7700K sitting atop of the stack. This quad core Skylake-based chip offered frequency bumps from the previous gen, and better gaming performance in a 91 W package. Its 4.2 GHz base frequency, 4.5 GHz turbo frequency, DDR4-2400 memory support and 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes were the talk of the down. All this could be yours for $350.

Then push forward a short time to today, and the Ryzen 3 3300X. This is also a quad core processor, built with Zen 2 cores at a lower frequency: only 3.8 GHz base and 4.3 GHz turbo. There’s faster memory in DDR4-3200, more and faster 24 PCIe 4.0 lanes, and is rated only at 65 W. For almost one third of the price, at $120.

Cue the roundup results.

Benchmark Comparison
Ryzen 3 3300X vs i7-7700K at 100%
AnandTech Ryzen 3
3100
Ryzen 3
3300X
Core
i7-7700K
Web 121% 138% 100%
System 99% 112% 100%
Encoding 105% 115% 100%
Rendering 98% 111% 100%
Synthetics 103% 110% 100%
Dwarf Fortress 86% 95% 100%
Legacy 96% 105% 100%
Gaming 99% 105% 100%

I’m pretty sure prices of used Kaby Lake CPUs are about to crash. They’re going to have to fall a long, long way though.

It's at this time I should point out that Intel obviously has newer quad cores on offer. The 9th Generation Core i3 parts are quad core with no hyperthreading, but still running a variant of the Skylake microarchitecture, albeit at a higher frequency. The Core i3-9100 for example is a 4C/4T part with a base of 3.6 GHz and turbo of 4.2 GHz, and a TDP of 65W, for $120. It still only has PCIe 3.0 and DDR4-2400 however, so it would likely perform worse than the i7-7700K. Even with this, Intel's ability to provide enough stock of these low-end parts, depending on your location, is questionable as previously mentioned. Case in point: the comapny never even made it as far as sampling any of the 9th Generation i3 parts for review.

Intel has announced the 10th Generation Comet Lake processors, coming later this month, and the Core i3 parts there will offer hyperthreading. The Core i3-10100 is a 4C/8T part with a 3.6 GHz base and a 4.3 GHz turbo, with a 65 W TDP for $120. It still only has PCIe 3.0, but supports DDR4-2666, compared to AMD supporting PCIe 4.0 and DDR4-3200. When these are available at retail, we should put it up against the 3300X to see who wins.

All that being said, AMD still has two issues to sort out with the new Ryzen 3 parts. The idle power seems high at 18 W, and B550 motherboards need to exist to make these Ryzen 3 processors more attractive for system builds. The latter should come around soon, and we’ll have additional coverage there.

At the end of the day, if you are the sort of person that enjoys waiting a couple of years to get games 95% off on Steam, the 3300X is your processor. Those AAA titles are calling.

 
Gaming: Far Cry 5
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  • paulemannsen - Saturday, May 9, 2020 - link

    @schujj07 Interesting. Your claim sounds totally alien to me, so can you show us some examples where a CPU is significantly slower in 1080p than in 720p when the GPU isnt the bottleneck pls?
  • schujj07 - Sunday, May 10, 2020 - link

    Just look at this review and there are a couple examples of this a 720p and 1080p ultra.
  • Spunjji - Monday, May 11, 2020 - link

    @superdawgwtfd - If the resolution is too low then you artificially amplify the differences between CPUs. Meanwhile at 1080p you're testing a resolution people will acttually use for high-frame-rate displays, and a decent GPU is still not going to be the primary limit at that resolution.
  • Fataliity - Friday, May 8, 2020 - link

    Also a 7700K should be similar to the new 10th gens with same amount of cores. It's same arch / node. Just frequency changes (and I think the low end new ones are saame or slightly lower.
  • Ian Cutress - Friday, May 8, 2020 - link

    7700K was tested last year on the same driver sets. It's been in Bench for a while
  • schujj07 - Thursday, May 7, 2020 - link

    The 9100F is 4c/4t with a 3.6/4.2 clock. The 7700k is 4c/8t with a 4.2/4.5 clock. Since both the 7th & 9th gen are both Sky Lake, they will have identical IPC. Based on that we know that the 9100F will perform worse than the 7700k and makes that inclusion pretty pointless. Not to mention that Ian said he never got review samples of the 9th gen i3's. In a lot of the benchmarks we see the R5 1600 & 2600 and the 1600AF will be right between those 2 CPUs in performance. The inclusion of the 4790k and 8086k are nice as they show comparisons from the top 2014 CPU and 2018 CPU. When it comes to single threaded applications, a stock 8086k will be as fast than as a stock 9900k due to having the same boost and IPC. Therefore we are able to extrapolate a lot of data from this whole thing.
  • Spunjji - Monday, May 11, 2020 - link

    You made a succession of excellent points here. Alas, I feel some people would rather use their brain for trolling than for processing the information they claim to want in the course of said trolling.
  • crimson117 - Thursday, May 7, 2020 - link

    1600AF performance is identical to the 2600, so just use that.

    3600 is an unfortunate omission.
  • schujj07 - Thursday, May 7, 2020 - link

    Due to the clock differences between the 2 CPUs that is false. The 1600AF will fall between the 1600 & 2600 in performance.
  • crimson117 - Thursday, May 7, 2020 - link

    You're right, not identical, but like 95% the performance at worst and often exactly the same in practice (especially gaming above 1080p): https://www.techspot.com/review/1977-amd-ryzen-160...

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