GPU Performance: Vega 9

By offering a Vega-based GPU in its laptop products, AMD has raised the bar in terms of what kind of graphics performance should be expected in a thin and light design. Microsoft collaborated with AMD to create a unique variant of their normal Ryzen as well, offering one CU more in both the Ryzen 5, moving it to 9 Vega CUs, and the Ryzen 7, moving it to 11 Vega CUs.

As to how much extra performance that will bring, that is an open question; the absolute maximum is about 10%, but in reality, with the constraints of TDP and CPU speeds, it's likely not a huge jump over the normal Ryzen APUs found in other manufacturers devices. In reality, this is more about putting a stamp on the partnership that AMD has with Microsoft now, than a truly special processor in terms of graphics performance.

That’s not a big stretch either, since AMD already works with the Xbox team on their custom processors, and Microsoft’s Surface team has leveraged that relationship to not only give AMD a design win in an important product, but also providing the Surface team with a unique product that their competition won’t be able to utilize. Microsoft being Microsoft though still has a wide range of PC partners, and assured us that any Windows tweaks they have done to leverage this processor will be a benefit to any other laptops running Ryzen.

To see how the Ryzen 5 3580U handles GPU tasks, it was run through our Ultrabook set of gaming tests, along with a couple of additions as well to get a better feel for the GPU prowess. Gaming on a 3:2 aspect ratio device can be a bit of a challenge though, since not all games support the non-standard resolution, but if necessary you can manually set the device resolution to 1920x1080 to get around this. It doesn’t support 1366x768 though, but 1280x720 is available.

3DMark

Futuremark 3DMark Fire Strike

Futuremark 3DMark Sky Diver

Futuremark 3DMark Cloud Gate

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited - Graphics

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited - Physics

3DMark offers a wide assortment of DirectX tests, from the gaming focused Fire Strike down to the mobile focused Ice Storm Unlimited. For the Surface Laptop 3, the Picasso platform from AMD offers a solid return on investment, often outperforming the Ryzen 7 2700U despite having a slightly weaker GPU. The extra CPU performance help to eliminate some of the bottlenecks that the original Raven Ridge APU was suffering from.

Fire Strike is the test which mostly favors GPU performance, since it’s the most complex scene, and the Ryzen Surface Edition squeaks past the Core i7-8650U plus NVIDIA MX 150 combination in the Huawei MateBook X Pro. That gap remains or grows in both Sky Diver and Cloud Gate, but the mobile focused Ice Storm Unlimited results shows how much quicker the Intel processor is in that highly CPU bound test.

GFXBench

GFXBench 5.0 Aztec Ruins Normal 1080p Offscreen

GFXBench 5.0 Aztec Ruins High 1440p Offscreen

AMD’s work on low-level APIs paid dividends for them in DX12, which is the API used in the latest GFXBench tests. Here the Ryzen Surface Edition pulls a noticeable lead over the previous generation APU, and unsurprisingly a wide lead over the integrated graphics on the 8th generation Intel parts.

Dota 2

Dota 2 Reborn - Value

Dota 2 Reborn - Enthusiast

Valve’s Dota 2 can be run on a wide-range of devices, including those with integrated graphics. It’s also very much a CPU bound game so it can really highlight CPU performance on an integrated APU with a shared TDP. In our first real-world gaming test, the Surface Laptop 3 is held back by the CPU.

Tomb Raider

Tomb Raider - Value

The original Tomb Raider is quite old now, but makes for a good test for a new laptop with integrated graphics. The Ryzen 5 3580U manages to outperform the Rynen 7 2700U here despite the smaller Vega GPU on the Ryzen 5, but can’t quite match the Intel plus NVIDIA combo on the MateBook X Pro.

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Rise of the Tomb Raider - Value

The second installment in the new Tomb Raider series does leverage DX12, but even on our value settings is only barely playable on these devices.

Civilization VI

Civilization VI Enthusiast

You don’t need a lot of framerate to play Civ VI, since it’s turn based and not reliant on lightning quick reflexes, but this game struggled with the 3:2 aspect ratio on the display and wouldn’t run at less than 1920x1080, meaning it was still unplayable on the Surface Laptop 3.

GPU Conclusion

The addition of an extra Vega core in the semi-custom Ryzen APU does help in some scenarios, but is still somewhat held back by the Zen CPU cores in real-world games. That being said, it still offers a big performance gain over any of the older integrated Intel GPUs. As expected, the semi-custom nature of this APU is more about highlighting the partnership than any truly revolutionary new product.

System Performance: AMD Ryzen Microsoft Surface Edition Display Analysis
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  • GreenReaper - Tuesday, October 22, 2019 - link

    Ultimately, it's not a gaming laptop - and the resolution is higher than most, which compounds the issue if you want to run native. But some of game results are also a little misleading.

    Realistically you'd probably *not* run Civ on Ultra on this hardware unless you don't care about FPS. Memory bandwidth will be hurting. I'd take native res and lower settings to reduce texture size/particles - which might also speed the game itself up, not just its rendering.
  • konbala - Tuesday, October 22, 2019 - link

    2400Mhz DRAM for AMD variant is so unfair.
  • TheinsanegamerN - Tuesday, October 22, 2019 - link

    This is a limitation imposed by AMD. Go look at AMDs spec page, they only support 2400.
  • m16 - Tuesday, October 22, 2019 - link

    So outside of the meh WiFi and reduced battery life, this is a solid mid range CPU laptop with some nice GPU chops.

    Definitively a candidate for purchase if one spends more time in the desk rather than mobile and life on Windows.
  • deepblue08 - Wednesday, October 23, 2019 - link

    Kudos to MS for starting to use AMD chips. I think the overall performance is good and if you include the GPU performance in your consideration, I would say the performance of the platform is on par with Intel's. The only letdown I see is battery life. I feel that Intel still holds the mobile crown for this particular reason.
  • tildas - Saturday, October 26, 2019 - link

    This is a great option for work and games. I work for https://technovolume.com/, where I was given this laptop. Every day is so much easier for me, it's great!
  • tildas - Saturday, October 26, 2019 - link

    This is a great option for work and games. I work for https://technovolume.com/ , where I was given this laptop. Every day is so much easier for me, it's great!
  • dickeywang - Wednesday, October 30, 2019 - link

    The whole ultrabook idea is no longer valid with the benifit vs costs.
    Was a user of surface book 1 and surface book 2, but recently switched back to a Thinkpad P1 Gen2. I get more flexibility for the P1 with optional 64GB ram, 2x2TB SSD and lower costs. Mobility is almost the same, the surface book 2 is 1.632kg with 0.381kg of power supply. With the P1, the weight is 1.718kg but I can use the 65W lenovo thunderbird power supply which weights less than 0.15kg. Not to mention the P1 has 4core/6core/8core options for the processor and a better Nvidia graphics card.

    You can make similar argument with the Surface Laptop 3 15inch.
  • Bespam - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link

    It is so hard to understand this text. Why u just cant write easier? "Convertible functionality" - are you serious? What it even means? Please just use regular words. It is so hard to read this.
  • jackmy12 - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link

    Great work & great post. I am really inspired by it

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