GPU Performance: Vega 9

By offering a Vega-based GPU in its laptop products, AMD has raised the bar in terms of what kind of graphics performance should be expected in a thin and light design. Microsoft collaborated with AMD to create a unique variant of their normal Ryzen as well, offering one CU more in both the Ryzen 5, moving it to 9 Vega CUs, and the Ryzen 7, moving it to 11 Vega CUs.

As to how much extra performance that will bring, that is an open question; the absolute maximum is about 10%, but in reality, with the constraints of TDP and CPU speeds, it's likely not a huge jump over the normal Ryzen APUs found in other manufacturers devices. In reality, this is more about putting a stamp on the partnership that AMD has with Microsoft now, than a truly special processor in terms of graphics performance.

That’s not a big stretch either, since AMD already works with the Xbox team on their custom processors, and Microsoft’s Surface team has leveraged that relationship to not only give AMD a design win in an important product, but also providing the Surface team with a unique product that their competition won’t be able to utilize. Microsoft being Microsoft though still has a wide range of PC partners, and assured us that any Windows tweaks they have done to leverage this processor will be a benefit to any other laptops running Ryzen.

To see how the Ryzen 5 3580U handles GPU tasks, it was run through our Ultrabook set of gaming tests, along with a couple of additions as well to get a better feel for the GPU prowess. Gaming on a 3:2 aspect ratio device can be a bit of a challenge though, since not all games support the non-standard resolution, but if necessary you can manually set the device resolution to 1920x1080 to get around this. It doesn’t support 1366x768 though, but 1280x720 is available.

3DMark

Futuremark 3DMark Fire Strike

Futuremark 3DMark Sky Diver

Futuremark 3DMark Cloud Gate

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited - Graphics

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited - Physics

3DMark offers a wide assortment of DirectX tests, from the gaming focused Fire Strike down to the mobile focused Ice Storm Unlimited. For the Surface Laptop 3, the Picasso platform from AMD offers a solid return on investment, often outperforming the Ryzen 7 2700U despite having a slightly weaker GPU. The extra CPU performance help to eliminate some of the bottlenecks that the original Raven Ridge APU was suffering from.

Fire Strike is the test which mostly favors GPU performance, since it’s the most complex scene, and the Ryzen Surface Edition squeaks past the Core i7-8650U plus NVIDIA MX 150 combination in the Huawei MateBook X Pro. That gap remains or grows in both Sky Diver and Cloud Gate, but the mobile focused Ice Storm Unlimited results shows how much quicker the Intel processor is in that highly CPU bound test.

GFXBench

GFXBench 5.0 Aztec Ruins Normal 1080p Offscreen

GFXBench 5.0 Aztec Ruins High 1440p Offscreen

AMD’s work on low-level APIs paid dividends for them in DX12, which is the API used in the latest GFXBench tests. Here the Ryzen Surface Edition pulls a noticeable lead over the previous generation APU, and unsurprisingly a wide lead over the integrated graphics on the 8th generation Intel parts.

Dota 2

Dota 2 Reborn - Value

Dota 2 Reborn - Enthusiast

Valve’s Dota 2 can be run on a wide-range of devices, including those with integrated graphics. It’s also very much a CPU bound game so it can really highlight CPU performance on an integrated APU with a shared TDP. In our first real-world gaming test, the Surface Laptop 3 is held back by the CPU.

Tomb Raider

Tomb Raider - Value

The original Tomb Raider is quite old now, but makes for a good test for a new laptop with integrated graphics. The Ryzen 5 3580U manages to outperform the Rynen 7 2700U here despite the smaller Vega GPU on the Ryzen 5, but can’t quite match the Intel plus NVIDIA combo on the MateBook X Pro.

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Rise of the Tomb Raider - Value

The second installment in the new Tomb Raider series does leverage DX12, but even on our value settings is only barely playable on these devices.

Civilization VI

Civilization VI Enthusiast

You don’t need a lot of framerate to play Civ VI, since it’s turn based and not reliant on lightning quick reflexes, but this game struggled with the 3:2 aspect ratio on the display and wouldn’t run at less than 1920x1080, meaning it was still unplayable on the Surface Laptop 3.

GPU Conclusion

The addition of an extra Vega core in the semi-custom Ryzen APU does help in some scenarios, but is still somewhat held back by the Zen CPU cores in real-world games. That being said, it still offers a big performance gain over any of the older integrated Intel GPUs. As expected, the semi-custom nature of this APU is more about highlighting the partnership than any truly revolutionary new product.

System Performance: AMD Ryzen Microsoft Surface Edition Display Analysis
Comments Locked

91 Comments

View All Comments

  • melgross - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    The biggest significance here is that Microsoft has moved partly away from the Wintel alliance. Otherwise, it doesn’t mean much for AMD’s direct sales, as estimates of Surfacebook yearly sales is about 300 thousand to at most, 500 thousand.

    Will it stimulate other Windows OEMs to follow? Well, those that are already using AMD chips will continue doing so, and the rest will most likely continue doing what they’ve been doing.
  • id4andrei - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    AMD was always hobbled by OEMs coupling the former's CPU with single channel RAM, shoddy build, HDD instead of SDD,etc. I agree that the Ryzen Surface is underwhelming but it's by far the best AMD notebook and hopefully spur some higher end AMD notebooks.
  • The Hardcard - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    I have a couple of questions.

    First, do other AMD laptops have access and benefit from the firmware and other optimizations that Microsoft has done?

    Second, are there any extra obstacles or restrictions to loading a Linux OS onto a surface laptop?
  • Ryan Smith - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    For the first question, you should see the following article on just that subject:

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/14947/already-worki...

    "AMD did state that of all the work that has gone into the Surface Laptop 3 co-design, around 50-70% is going to directly benefit the state of other Ryzen Mobile hardware in the ecosystem."
  • thesloth - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    $300 jump from 8GB/128GB/R5 to 8GB/256GB/R5 seems a little extreme for 128GB extra SSD
  • PeachNCream - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    It's the latest Apple tax brought to you by Microsoft.
  • andrewaggb - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    Completely agree. Sure goes from being reasonably priced to overpriced in a hurry.
  • justin.anthony.hall - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    If you don't like Ryzen then just order it with 10th Gen i7 Ice Lake. Simples:

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/p/surface-laptop-3...
  • maroon1 - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    Battery life is much more important than GPU performance in those devices. It is not like people buy surface to play AAA games.
  • PeachNCream - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    Agreed, but there are people that will only buy one computer and if the Surface Laptop is that one system AND they play PC games, it will end up happening. I do doubt anyone will pick up a Surface Laptop mainly for gaming though. There are other systems that are less expensive and better suited to the task that can also handle any Surface Laptop workloads.

Log in

Don't have an account? Sign up now