GPU Performance: Vega 9

By offering a Vega-based GPU in its laptop products, AMD has raised the bar in terms of what kind of graphics performance should be expected in a thin and light design. Microsoft collaborated with AMD to create a unique variant of their normal Ryzen as well, offering one CU more in both the Ryzen 5, moving it to 9 Vega CUs, and the Ryzen 7, moving it to 11 Vega CUs.

As to how much extra performance that will bring, that is an open question; the absolute maximum is about 10%, but in reality, with the constraints of TDP and CPU speeds, it's likely not a huge jump over the normal Ryzen APUs found in other manufacturers devices. In reality, this is more about putting a stamp on the partnership that AMD has with Microsoft now, than a truly special processor in terms of graphics performance.

That’s not a big stretch either, since AMD already works with the Xbox team on their custom processors, and Microsoft’s Surface team has leveraged that relationship to not only give AMD a design win in an important product, but also providing the Surface team with a unique product that their competition won’t be able to utilize. Microsoft being Microsoft though still has a wide range of PC partners, and assured us that any Windows tweaks they have done to leverage this processor will be a benefit to any other laptops running Ryzen.

To see how the Ryzen 5 3580U handles GPU tasks, it was run through our Ultrabook set of gaming tests, along with a couple of additions as well to get a better feel for the GPU prowess. Gaming on a 3:2 aspect ratio device can be a bit of a challenge though, since not all games support the non-standard resolution, but if necessary you can manually set the device resolution to 1920x1080 to get around this. It doesn’t support 1366x768 though, but 1280x720 is available.

3DMark

Futuremark 3DMark Fire Strike

Futuremark 3DMark Sky Diver

Futuremark 3DMark Cloud Gate

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited - Graphics

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited - Physics

3DMark offers a wide assortment of DirectX tests, from the gaming focused Fire Strike down to the mobile focused Ice Storm Unlimited. For the Surface Laptop 3, the Picasso platform from AMD offers a solid return on investment, often outperforming the Ryzen 7 2700U despite having a slightly weaker GPU. The extra CPU performance help to eliminate some of the bottlenecks that the original Raven Ridge APU was suffering from.

Fire Strike is the test which mostly favors GPU performance, since it’s the most complex scene, and the Ryzen Surface Edition squeaks past the Core i7-8650U plus NVIDIA MX 150 combination in the Huawei MateBook X Pro. That gap remains or grows in both Sky Diver and Cloud Gate, but the mobile focused Ice Storm Unlimited results shows how much quicker the Intel processor is in that highly CPU bound test.

GFXBench

GFXBench 5.0 Aztec Ruins Normal 1080p Offscreen

GFXBench 5.0 Aztec Ruins High 1440p Offscreen

AMD’s work on low-level APIs paid dividends for them in DX12, which is the API used in the latest GFXBench tests. Here the Ryzen Surface Edition pulls a noticeable lead over the previous generation APU, and unsurprisingly a wide lead over the integrated graphics on the 8th generation Intel parts.

Dota 2

Dota 2 Reborn - Value

Dota 2 Reborn - Enthusiast

Valve’s Dota 2 can be run on a wide-range of devices, including those with integrated graphics. It’s also very much a CPU bound game so it can really highlight CPU performance on an integrated APU with a shared TDP. In our first real-world gaming test, the Surface Laptop 3 is held back by the CPU.

Tomb Raider

Tomb Raider - Value

The original Tomb Raider is quite old now, but makes for a good test for a new laptop with integrated graphics. The Ryzen 5 3580U manages to outperform the Rynen 7 2700U here despite the smaller Vega GPU on the Ryzen 5, but can’t quite match the Intel plus NVIDIA combo on the MateBook X Pro.

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Rise of the Tomb Raider - Value

The second installment in the new Tomb Raider series does leverage DX12, but even on our value settings is only barely playable on these devices.

Civilization VI

Civilization VI Enthusiast

You don’t need a lot of framerate to play Civ VI, since it’s turn based and not reliant on lightning quick reflexes, but this game struggled with the 3:2 aspect ratio on the display and wouldn’t run at less than 1920x1080, meaning it was still unplayable on the Surface Laptop 3.

GPU Conclusion

The addition of an extra Vega core in the semi-custom Ryzen APU does help in some scenarios, but is still somewhat held back by the Zen CPU cores in real-world games. That being said, it still offers a big performance gain over any of the older integrated Intel GPUs. As expected, the semi-custom nature of this APU is more about highlighting the partnership than any truly revolutionary new product.

System Performance: AMD Ryzen Microsoft Surface Edition Display Analysis
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  • andykins - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    The Ice Lake Version is cheaper with a starting price of $999 compared with $1199 for the Ryzen version (admittedly this is a somewhat apples to oranges comparison as it is 13.5” vs 15”). This is in the table on the first page of the article.
  • inighthawki - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    There are 15" versions with an ice lake sold in the business store. They are $100 more for the same memory/HDD specs.
  • Rickyxds - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    Why you don't show the performance of UHD 630 in Rise of the Tomb Raider??

    Are you protecting Intel?... Why show the performance of the Ryzen and Vega in DOTA 2???

    I answer to you, You are protecting Intel and UHD chips.

    but I don't know why!
  • Brett Howse - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    Ryan mentioned this on your other comment that was the same but they Intel iGPU is simply too slow to test on AAA games like this.
  • Irata - Tuesday, October 22, 2019 - link

    It may be worth mentioning this in the article or showing it in the graph as N/A.
    The really odd thing about the review is that the compared systems are not consistent across tests (i.e. 5 are included in some but not others).
  • Potato Power - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link

    They get pay-off by Intel. Simple.
  • quadrivial - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    > "The addition of an extra Vega core in the semi-custom Ryzen APU does help in some scenarios, but is still somewhat held back by the Zen CPU cores in real-world games."

    The GPU is probably held back by 2400MHz RAM, but it is DEFINITELY not held back by the CPU performance.
  • edzieba - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    It's an integrated APU, both the CPU and GPU need to share the same thermal environment (and power environment). Any inefficiencies in the CPU have a knock-on effect on the GPU performance budget, and the choice in where the CPU/GPU split is placed also affects real-world performance.
  • JasonMZW20 - Friday, October 25, 2019 - link

    Ryzen will auto manage power between CPU/iGPU, so I don’t think that’s much of an issue. Memory bandwidth, though, has always been a limitation on AMD iGPUs. You can find benchmarks on desktop APUs with higher memory speeds and the gains associated with that.

    Problem is, if MS used DDR4-2933 that Zen+ officially supports, power consumption would increase on both SoC and memory, reducing overall battery life further.
  • skavi - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    Do you guys have ice Lake Surface Laptops in your review pipeline? I would love to finally have an Apples to Apples comparison.

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