The OpenPOWER Saga Continues: Can You Get POWER Inside 1U?
by Johan De Gelas on February 24, 2017 8:00 AM ESTDatabase Performance: MySQL 5.7.0
Thanks to the excellent repository of Percona, we have been able to vastly improve our MySQL benchmarking with Sysbench. You cannot compare these results to the results published prior to the Cavium Thunder-X review: we made quite a few changes in the way we benchmark. We first upgraded the standard MySQL installation to the better performing Percona Server 5.7.
Secondly, we used Sysbench 0.5 (instead of 0.4) and we implemented the (lua) scripts that allow us to use multiple tables (8 in our case) instead of the default one. This makes the Sysbench benchmark much more realistic, as running with one table creates a very artificial bottleneck.
For our testing we used the read-only OLTP benchmark, which is slightly less realistic, but still much more interesting than most other Sysbench tests. This allows us to measure CPU performance without creating an I/O bottleneck.
The 10-core POWER8 @3.5 GHz is about 40% faster than the 8-core POWER8, which maxes out at 3.025 GHz. This is in-line with our performance expectations. As it turns out, keeping the clock high is not very hard in this kind of application: the application peaks for a relatively small period.
Overall our "1U" POWER8 server is only 8% faster than the Xeon E5-2640v4. Meanwhile reducing the number of threads to 4 is not a wise thing to do.
Although we cannot say that our 8-core "1U" POWER8 setup is much slower than the 10-core S812LC, it still gets a firm beating by the Xeon E5-2640v4.
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Zzzoom - Friday, February 24, 2017 - link
"As important as performance per watt is, several markets – HPC, Analytics, and AI chief among them – consider performance the most important metric. Wattage has to be kept under control, but that is it."What a load of garbage.
JohanAnandtech - Saturday, February 25, 2017 - link
And now maybe some arguments that substantiate your opinion?SarahKerrigan - Sunday, February 26, 2017 - link
In HPC specifically, power consumption is a major issue. This was the entire root of the success of the Blue Gene line back in the day, and why NEC is shifting its supercomputing CPUs to progressively more efficient cores instead of higher-performance cores now (SX-9: 102.4GF/core; SX-ACE: 64GF/core.) . HPC is sensitive to running cost, and power dissipation is a critical factor in that.Zzzoom - Monday, February 27, 2017 - link
Go read the 7+ years worth of materials from the EE HPC Working Group.JohanAnandtech - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
In a system with 2-4 GPUs, 512 GB of RAM, the TDP of the CPU is not a dealbreaker. I can agree that some HPC markets are more sensitive to perf/watt; but I have seen a lot of examples where raw performance per dollar was just as important.Zzzoom - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
POWER8 TDP is 45W-102W higher per socket than the highest spec Xeon E5. That's 90W-204W higher per node where each node consumes 1500W-2000W, or 6-10% total on a site with a multi-million dollar power bill that went to great lengths to bring down the PUE by a similar amount. So for anyone to pick POWER8 it has to do better on energy to solution through its unique features, or be considerably cheaper (ha!). POWER8's advantage is NVLink, but TSUBAME3 going with Intel+PLX switches on top of NVLink shows that it's not that big of a deal.Anyway, the efficiency requirements on the CORAL procurements are pretty strict so scale-out POWER9+Volta will have to shed a lot of weight.
Zzzoom - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
I forgot about the memory buffers. It's even worse.mystic-pokemon - Sunday, March 5, 2017 - link
Guys, I know shit ton of stuff about a server Johan listed above. He has a point when he says Power consumption is only so much important.In short, when you combine all aspects to TCO model: POWER8 server delivers most optimal TCO value
We consider all the following into our TCO model
a) Cost of ownership of the server
b) Warranty (Lesser than conventional server, different model of operations)
c) What it delivers (How many independent threads (SMT8 on POWER8 remember ? 192 hardware threads), how much Memory Bandwidth (230 GBPs), how much total memory capacity in 1 server ( 1 TB with 32 GB)
d) For a public cloud use-case, how many VMs (with x HW threads and x memory cap / bw ) can you deliver on 1 POWER8 server compared to other servers in fleet today ? Based on above stats, a lot .
e) Data center floor lease cost in DC ( 24 of these servers in 1 Rack, much denser. Average the lease over age of server: 3 years ). This includes all DC services like aggers, connectivity and such.
f) Cost per KWH in the specific DC ( 1 Rack has nominal power 750W)
All this combined POWER has good TCO. Its a massively parallel server, what where major advantage comes from. Choose your workload wisely. That's why companies continue to work on it.
I am talking about all this without actually combining with CAPI over PCIe and openCAPI. Get it ? POWER is going no where.
Michael Bay - Friday, February 24, 2017 - link
I think at this point in time intel has more to fear from goddamn ARM than IBM in server space.Okay, maybe AMD as well.
JohanAnandtech - Friday, February 24, 2017 - link
Personally I think OpenPOWER is a viable competitor, but in the right niches (In memory databases, GPU accelerated + NVlink HPC). Just don't put that MHz beast in a far too small 1U cage. :-)