FB-DIMMs and Servers

IBM's newest x3950 M2 server is an innovative design: it includes a 4GB flash drive (the same as in some of their blade servers) which runs the ESX 3i virtualization layer. The new X4 chipset tries to combine the best of FB-DIMMs (high capacity, easy routing of the serial bus) with the advantages of normal DDR2 DIMMs (low power) by using one buffer - which is serially connected to the main chipset - for up to eight DDR2 DIMMs.


Intel is going to introduce DDR2 support in its DP server line later this year. We talked to Diane M. Bryant, Vice President of the Digital Enterprise Group, and she expressed her firm belief that FB-DIMMs still have a bright future ahead. The power consumption of the AMB has already gone down from 4-5W to 3W.

Qimonda, alias "Infineon", has another solution to further drive down the power requirements of FB-DIMMs.


They propose to use quad-rank (QR) FB-DIMMs. The price of a 4GB QR-DIMM should be lower than two dual-rank 2GB DIMMs. More importantly, given a certain capacity, you have only half the number of AMBs which reduces power significantly.

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  • afan - Friday, September 21, 2007 - link

    you remarked:
    quote:

    "That is quite amazing as even the 130W 2.93GHz Xeon MPs can find a home in this server."


    The supermicro site:
    http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeo...">http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeo...http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeo...

    Indicates that, yes, the board will take 130W 2.93GHz Xeons, but their 1U server chassis won't take it, alas. (If you look at their 1U server chassis, (listed as the CSE-818TQ-1000) it indicates the max for 1U is 80W CPUs. The chassis seems to support AMD chips, in fact -- confusing!).

    I'm still waiting for PCI-e 2.0, More PCI-e x8 slots (2 is a joke), and dual 10gbps:
    http://www.intel.com/network/connectivity/resource...">http://www.intel.com/network/connectivi...s/techno...

    I wish they'd hurry up with these!

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  • afan - Saturday, September 22, 2007 - link

    I found the 1U chassis:
    http://supermicro.com/products/system/1U/8015/SYS-...">http://supermicro.com/products/system/1U/8015/SYS-...

    I read the manual, and it confirms that it won't take 130 Watt CPUs.
    Also, the spec sheet says it only has 1 PCIe x8 slot - but the manual says it can take two. WTF!?

    SuperMicro website TOTALLY SUCKS. (I like their products, though).
    ----
    What I'm really looking forward to are the boards alluded to here - of course I can't find any info on them(!):
    http://supermicro.com/newsroom/pressreleases/2007/...">http://supermicro.com/newsroom/pressreleases/2007/...

    Seaburg-based:
    X7DWN+, X7DWA-N, X7DWT/INF and X7DWU.

    San Clemente-based:
    X7DCL-3/i, X7DCA-3/i and X7DCU

    Bigby chipset-based:
    X7SB4, X7SBE, X7SBi, X7SBL-LN1/LN2, X7SBA and X7SBU



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  • JohanAnandtech - Saturday, September 22, 2007 - link

    It would indeed make sense that the 1U is limited to 80W CPUs. I specifically asked the Supermicro people what kind of CPU the 1U could take and they told me 130W. I guess the Supermicro people were a bit too enthousiastic. I'll ask again. Reply
  • brshoemak - Friday, September 21, 2007 - link

    Anyone else notice that the last picture on the first page shows a tabletop fan supposedly as one of the components in the server (next to hard drive)?? Must be a 5U chassis.

    If that was an Intel created image you would imagine they have a few resources available to them to find a picture of a case fan.
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  • JohanAnandtech - Saturday, September 22, 2007 - link

    Lol. This was indeed an Intel slide. I guess a tabletop fan is easier on the eye than a case fan? (I have no idea :-) Reply
  • TA152H - Friday, September 21, 2007 - link

    Johan,

    You should probably explain what an AMB is before just introducing it. I think people will get from the context it is part of a FB-DIMM, but it probably could use some description.

    Intel's marketing has permeated reports of the Nehalem. When AMD alone was working on the integrated memory controller, their caches were small because of it. Not because it wasn't needed. Now, for Intel, their caches are getting smaller because they don't need it. So, the IMC is purely wonderful, it has no side effects, right? Wrong! They can't put the same cache on the chip and sell it economically because of the IMC. It's a tradeoff.

    Also, since when is a smaller chip faster? The Pentium Pro was bigger than the Pentium, but it ran at higher clock speeds. Ditto for Athlon versus K6, and Pentium 4 versus Pentium III. I think you meant that if you have a smaller cache, all other things being equal, you can run it at faster speeds(i.e. lower latency). There is one example, the Prescott, where the size of the processor (because of the power/heat) did limit the clock speed, but that was an isolated case (and one that Intel obviously never predicted when they created that monster).
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  • JohanAnandtech - Saturday, September 22, 2007 - link

    Sorry for the late answer, I was flying over the Ocean yesterday :-).

    I agree with the IMC assesment. It is a matter of keeping the die a bit smaller, to save costs and to get probably one extra speedbin out of it. Huge die do result into slightly slower chips though. The bigger the CPU, the bigger the chance that one of the cores can not be clocked as high as the other ones, especially at the outside of the wafer.


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  • TA152H - Saturday, September 22, 2007 - link

    Johan,

    I don't think that's the relevant point here, but I agree with it. Yes, more dies will result in lower clock speeds, in general, because you can only clock as high as the slowest one. No disagreement there. And more dies do make chips bigger. But, that's not what was relevant within the context of the statement. It was about a bigger cache making a processor bigger, not an additional die.

    In fact, in general, bigger processors have led to higher clock speeds, not lower. The Pentium 4 and Athlon were perfect examples. A lot of transistors were put there so they could clock higher, not lower. One of the design goals of the Pentium Pro was higher clock speed too, on the same process technology, and transistors were dedicated for the stages so it could.

    But, to put it another way, do you really believe that the Nehalem having a smaller cache would lead to higher clock speeds? It might have lower L2 latency, but that's not the same. Will the Penryn clock lower because it's got a bigger L2 cache? There just isn't any correlation between cache size and the clock speed a processor can run at, unless it's limited by heat, like the Prescott.
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  • iceburger - Thursday, September 20, 2007 - link

    :) almost viral marketing Reply

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