Chinny Chuang: Zotac Global Marketing Director
Buu Ly: Global Product Marketing Manager
Name of Rig: Hey Good Lookin’

IC: How long have you been at Zotac?

CC: In this position, almost one year since last July. I joined Zotac last May as a regional marketing manager.

BL: I joined late August 2014, just after Chinny.

IC: When we approached Zotac with our Build-A-Rig initiative, what were your immediate thoughts?

CC: I thought it sounded like a really good opportunity to participate in the campaign, increase our brand awareness and promote our new graphics cards. It’s always great to interact with the community, especially with giveaways and giving prizes to the audience.

IC: How do you feel about the competitive aspect of the project, the fact that we are pitting you against another company to build a PC?

CC: It’s a pretty interesting idea. As you mentioned in the article posted already, you didn’t intend to choose two primary competitors and in fact we are really close with Corsair anyway. We join with them in a number of social media campaigns, contests, and even at events such as the upcoming QuakeCon we will share a booth as well. So in terms of the competition, this Build-A-Rig project, the fact that we are not direct competitors is a good thing.

BL: For me, it’s a bit of fun to show what kind of focus we put into the build of a computer.  This means whether it is based on design, minimalism, or performance.

IC: We gave you a budget of $1500 to build a single-monitor focused gaming system. How do you think that $1500 value sits with the current market?

BL: I think it’s a decent amount to get great performance out of a computer no matter what components you choose. Definitely you won’t be able to build the fastest computer out of the components available today, but it’s a budget that will allow you to be futureproof for the next couple of years. 

IC: So you’re saying we gave you too much money?

BL: More like some breathing room to be more dynamic with our options.

IC: What aspects do you think others might focus on for the budget?

BL: That really depends - if they want to focus on a gaming PC then they’ll want to focus mostly on the graphics card and on the CPU. But if you’re building a type of workstation then that depends more on the motherboard as well as the CPU and memory. Also whether you chose air cooling or liquid cooling, or a full tower versus a mini-ITX or microATX.

IC: Looking at the overview for the “Hey Good Lookin’” build would you say you went for aesthetics over performance?

BL: Not necessarily – our focus was to build something very clean and minimal but at the same time still have the power to perform and have the speed to get things done quickly so I don’t think there was any sacrifice in performance. Sure enough there could be room to include better components but we felt this was a good balance between a very clean minimal system but at the same time give you that speed and power you need to get things done quickly and play games available today.

IC: What sort of person would build the “Hey Good Lookin’”?

BL: This system was focused on gaming, rather than say for those who focus on overclocking but want to show off their build. (Buu here is referring to the non-overclocked processor which saves some money to go on aesthetics.)

CC: I think for me and Buu we prefer to build clean looking systems. Whenever we go to gaming events or conventions, the system we build is designed to look good. As a graphics card company primarily, the card has to be the highlight and focus so while the other parts are there for performance, the GPU is still the highlight.

IC: Looking at the gaming market, eSports is still the biggest driver for gaming and $1500 is overkill for this market. When you compare these systems against those that focus on triple-A titles such as Far Cry 4 and Witcher 3, how does Zotac align its marketing and product strategy to these areas?

BL: We tackle these markets based on product differentiation. So our graphics card line is the GTX 960, 970, 980 and 980 Ti, and in-between we have different levels for each. There’s the standard model or each, then the AMP line for those who need a bit more power. Our aim is to provide gamers, no matter their budget, a wide selection of GPUs to choose from and they are not limited to one level of power for their budget range. The GTX 960 is more than capable of driving eSports games, for example.

CC: I think the majority of the major game titles should be very capable on our GTX 960. But there are still some demands in the market for higher performance. For example, our GTX 980 Ti is selling really well.

IC: Is the GTX 960 your biggest seller (in volume)?

CC: At this moment, out of our 900-series range, it is actually the GTX 970. This is one of the reasons why we chose it as part of our $1500 build. The card we chose is actually from round of GTX 970 refreshes, more budget concerned, combining value and performance compared to other GTX 970s available and is also one of the best-selling.

IC: Do you see an element of brand loyalty with Zotac customers, such as those that will invest over multiple builds in the Zotac brand?

BL: There definitely is. We always focus on build quality and we try to build one of the fastest factory overclocked cards out of the box for each model. Customers see this, and lately we’ve introduced more new innovations as well. This includes our line of GPU backplates, including a wrap-around backplate that unifies the look of the graphics card altogether. With the 980 Ti, we introduced backplates where we have some type of graphic on it - with the Arctic Storm you can definitely see that there. There’s been a lot of hype about it, and we’ve got very positive feedback on our design, the quality, the speeds and the pricing. We've also paid attention to feedback and improved as well.

CC: You’ve probably noticed that a year ago Zotac made a number of changes in GPU design. This includes the ID, the color and also adding on more special features, trying to build up the brand name in higher performance.

IC: Are you gamers?

BL: I used to be, but recently not so much. I still integrate myself deep into the technologies being developed and how components work together, but recent developments with family (such as children) mean I have less time to game than before.

CC: I’m not that good at gaming! Every time I play I seem to do badly, but I have had some success with Street Fighter like titles! I find they are good to release stress and pressure.

IC: Are their gamers in the office? Do you have internal competitions, or do you encourage people to play games in the office?

BL: We encourage everyone to at least try the latest games – we get copies of popular titles for internal testing, so our team invites us over to test some of the more interesting elements for our own benchmarking and such.

CC: We actually run a big gaming community, the Zotac Cup, which is linked direct from our website. Over the past eight years we now have 70,000 members from around the world. We previously focused purely on the EMEA region, but expanded to NA and expanding to APAC with an APAC cup, making it more of a global interest and gaming community activity.

IC: What sort of PCs are you running personally?

BL: At home I run a micro-ATX system with 8GB of memory, a 256GB SSD and three regular sized hard-drives totaling 9TB of space. I’m currently running it without a graphics card, as I primarily use it more so for day-to-day activities, video playback and storage.

CC: Since being promoted to a global position, I end up travelling a lot, hence why Buu and I were coordinating our build while I was in HK and Buu was in the US. So I mostly work out of a laptop, especially when I travel to Europe and China which ends up being very often right now.

BL: It’s interesting because I end up mostly using my tablet or iPhone now, especially for media consumption and email. At work, I have a mini-ITX system with a GTX 750 Ti, but I also have an open-air testing system next to me for benchmarking with 16GB of memory and a Core i5 on liquid cooling.

IC: Going back to the Hey Good Lookin’ build, if you were to have half the budget again ($750) for upgrades in the next twelve months, what would you suggest?

CC: There’s an option to upgrade the GTX 970 to whatever new GPU is coming out in that timeframe, particularly if they are more powerful and/or lower cost. There’s also our GTX 980 Ti Extreme, and due to a factory overclock it beats the Titan X.

BL: That would definitely help the system to be future proof on gaming. We’re all interested in what Skylake is going to bring, so that might have some interest in a new motherboard, a new CPU, and most likely new memory as well. We could sell the old ones and see what is left for a GPU upgrade.

IC: Zotac also sells a lot of mini-PCs and is a focus of the company. With Steam boxes still being talked about, what are Zotac’s Steam Box ideas and could we get a good gaming box for $1500?

BL: We have two planned – we have the SN970 which we debuted back in early February at GDC. So that system for around $999 you will have plenty of budget to spare. It will come with a Skylake processor, 8GB of memory, a 64/128GB SSD, a 1TB 2.5-inch drive, and bundled with Steam OS as well as a Steam controller. The graphics power will come from a GTX 970M mobile graphics processor, with more than enough power to play current titles.

We will be introducing another model which we debuted at CES and demoed at Computex which is the EN970. It looks very similar to the SN970 but is available in matte black and as a Broadwell i5 CPU but the rest of the specification is unchanged. It will be available as a barebones or as a PLUS version with 8GB of memory and an SSD. Pricing is unknown at this time, but it will be less than a thousand US dollars.

CC: Because of our E series, we will continue with our strategy of a barebones system being available for users to put their own memory and storage in them. With the Steam machine project, we are trying to finalize the configurations because the launch day is in November and we are considering doing some pre-orders before then. We are waiting for Skylake to be released in order to set the final configurations.

IC: So if we did this $1500 budget contest later this year, we should consider a Zotac Steam Box?

BL: With the Steam Box pricing, add in some external storage and it will offer enough budget to also get a mechanical keyboard, a nice mouse and a good headset as well, making it an option for gamers.

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  • fokka - Thursday, July 9, 2015 - link

    ok, first off, i'm not surprised that dustin's rig comes out ahead, what's surprising though is how far ahead it comes out.

    squeezing a 980ti into the budget is a great start and i think he's right saying a 1500$ single screen rig should be able to run a 4k resolution. even with throwing almost half the budget on a single component he still manages to include a great CPU, tons of storage, while not really skimping on the rest of the components.

    compared to that, the zotac build is almost a joke. a gtx 970 in a 1500 rig seems almost aneamic next to dustin's 980ti and they manage to significantly downgrade the CPU and RAM as well, without saving more than a just couple bucks. but somehow this non-overclocked CPU has to be expensiveley water cooled with a 240mm radiator...

    it's also funny how dustin manages to drive a 980ti and an overclocked 5690k with a 650w PSU, while the zotac build throws in an oversized and overprized 750w PSU for a much lesser build.

    reading the interview it starts to make a bit more sense, with the zotac marketing guys "not really being gamers" and using tablets and iphones for their everyday stuff.

    thinking about it i can still only shake my head looking at the zotac build and unless dustin's rig catches fire, i think we already know the winner of this round.
  • Dustin Sklavos - Thursday, July 9, 2015 - link

    I wouldn't knock Chinny and Buu's rig, they made decisions that went in a different direction than mine but are no less valid.

    They focused less on absolute performance and more on overall experience. They wanted something that looked great and would run quietly, and I guarantee you their build is quieter than mine. The H100i seems a bit like overkill, but those fans will *never* have to spin up. Likewise, overspeccing on the PSU isn't necessarily a bad thing as again, that PSU's fan will almost never have to spin up.

    I also have to give them props for thinking to include a way to actually *install* their copy of Windows, which I missed. ;)
  • leopard_jumps - Thursday, July 9, 2015 - link

    i5 4460 is absolutely unacceptable for $1500 . The second rig in the article is not balanced at all .
  • leopard_jumps - Thursday, July 9, 2015 - link

    i5 4460 is absolutely unacceptable for $1500 rig . The second rig in the article is not balanced at all .
  • AssBall - Thursday, July 9, 2015 - link

    The Zotac rig is a nice build. Those extra's really sharpen it up, and a 500gb drive is a good choice. That being said, I do like Corsair's CPU cooler and will be looking into that Carbide 200 for my next build.

    Great write up and fun article, Anandtech. Looking forward to more of these in the future.
  • PolarisOrbit - Thursday, July 9, 2015 - link

    This looks interesting, I hope to see a bunch of different perspectives on computer builds with different companies representing each build. One thing I don't like about other site build-a-thons is the tendency for the competitors to make unrealistic builds since the winners are based purely on performance. A system where $1000 was spent on GPUs and only $80 storage may benchmark well, but it's completely impractical. Things that don't have good benchmark measures still have practical value to consumers (like the space savings of ITX compared to EATX), and I will be interested to see how Anandtech accounts such things in the competition.
  • echoe - Thursday, July 9, 2015 - link

    As most people are saying, Dustin's system is way more performant. If I were to go for a 970 I'd probably try to get a 5820k in there, something like this:
    http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jbGDsY
    I don't really like the looks of Chinny's system either, though the lower noise is attractive.
  • BrokenCrayons - Thursday, July 9, 2015 - link

    I personally prefer Chinny's build as a more balanced approach that acknowledges acoustics and cabling, but I admit it's a very tough choice and Dustin's specs are appealing from a performance perspective. For me, it's a wash on CPUs since overclocking doesn't matter at all to me and I think either processor is enough for any modern games. 8GB of RAM is something of a liability that will loom larger in the near future and I admit that I think 16GB is a wiser choice. The GPU is important, but I can't see 4k gaming actually adding value. It strikes me as resolution for the sake of resolution so I wouldn't consider the GPU difference very relevant. What ends up making the decision for me is storage. A 500GB SSD is a ton more useful when games regularly require well over 50GB. I'd rather have to keep the resolution down a little than juggle titles or purchase a some sort of additional storage right away.
  • Impulses - Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - link

    Dustin's system needs a HDD... But I'm baffled by the sudden notion that all games *must* be installed on NAND flash... (not to pick in your post in particular)

    There's games where load times don't even change dramatically because the bottleneck is at the CPU/GPU unpacking compressed stuff, and even if that isn't the case, I'd probably put just about everything else over load times (aesthetics, noise, fps, etc) if that's the last thing to get cut on a budget.

    That being said, I'm about to replace my 2x128GB SSD for a 1TB (possibly two later) so I can move everything I use with any frequency to flash. :p

    Die HDDs die! I just don't think it'd be my priority over most other things, specially since it's one of the easier things to address down the road AND one area where prices are highly volatile. Case in point, the 500GB 850 EVO currently floating over $160...

    I'd expect more price drops with everyone else getting into TLC/3D NAND and PCI-E/M2 drives taking over the premium sector.
  • Wraithtek - Thursday, July 9, 2015 - link

    Here's what I came up with: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/R6LnBm

    In short: An i5-4690k + GTX 970 system with 500GB SSD + 1TB 7200RPM HDD and quiet air cooling. Threw in a blu-ray drive and spare 140mm fan. $1501.70 (before $15 shipping). A nice all around system with a bit more storage space.

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