AMD A10-7870K Conclusion

AMD knows, and most of the press knows, that the release of a Kaveri Refresh line of APUs is not going to set the world alight in a miasma of queues outside brick and mortar stores or bundles of pre-orders. In the PC industry at least, that rarely happens outside of graphics cards anyway, but for AMD the Kaveri Refresh APU launched today (and those following) plays an important role in their iterative stance.

At the top of the review we described that this APU is formed from a combination of better silicon management, some mild optimization, better binning and a very slight increase in stock voltage (50 millivolts) and gives a frequency bump in both the CPU and a massive 20% on the integrated graphics. If that level of gain was leveraged mid-cycle by a discrete graphics manufacturer, it would be making some waves in technology forums at least. But like a discrete GPU, 20% better frequency doesn’t mean 20% better performance, and the gain is very title dependent.

AMD’s target for the Kaveri Refresh is decidedly mass market. With the popularity of eSports growing, particularly with graphically simple games such as Counter Strike, League of Legends, DOTA2 and others being on the tips of the tongue of many young gamers, the A10-7870K launch was focused away from the more classic technology media. It was directed towards the Twitch streaming and the competitive gaming demographic that care more about cost, responsiveness and optimizing performance rather than a gamut of office and professional based testing. As these users are typically teenagers/20s with low-to-mid range budgets to build or buy pre-built gaming machines, AMD’s own testing focused on performance comparisons at that price range, showcasing that a comparative Intel machine was either more expensive, gave worse gameplay, or both.

Our testing verified those claims, and puts the A10-7870K at the top of the integrated gaming stack that can fit into custom PC builds. While we didn’t get a 20% boost in performance, almost all of our graphics tests saw a gain over the previous head of the Kaveri list, the A10-7850K, and a good sizeable boost when it comes to minimum frame rates:

GRID: Autosport on Integrated Graphics [Minimum FPS]

Despite AMD’s focus for the unit, for the sake of system builders or cheaper office system developers, we did run our usual gamut of office and professional level tests. Typically in this case we compare direct to an Intel CPU of similar price. AMD’s Heterogeneous System Architecture push, and OpenCL 1.0 near-full compatibility (save GPU context switching) allows a boost in the software that has specifically been engineered down this route – AMD likes to promote LibreOffice, PCMark 8 and BasemarkCL for this. In the pure CPU route, AMD’s mid-range 3.7 GHz processors typically do better here due to the weaker GPU making the processor less expensive and more price/performance competitive, and as a result the A10-7870K doesn’t compare favorably if you have a pure CPU workload and rely on throughput. That being said, relying on throughput and worrying about price is a double-edged sword to begin with. The best foot forward for AMD in this context is the OpenCL capabilities and compatible software, and then it happens to do the regular stuff as well.

At $137 though, the A10-7870K becomes a more interesting prospect than when the A10-7850K was launched around $170, especially in that eSports gaming space. Over the past year or so, PC component manufacturers have all asked me to explain how I view the ecosystem as of late, especially when it comes to gaming. My answer is relatively simple – there are two markets: one for the under 25s and one for the over 25s. In the first market, you have gamers still in school and on low budgets, but they tend to make the most noise online and love looking at flashy halo type things. The latter are the ones that have had jobs for a few years, perhaps a promotion or two and a bonus, and as a result they might splash out a bit on a good gaming system once every few years. This group is more peak performance concerned than price/performance concerned. As a result of these two groups of potential, you have to market accordingly.

AMD’s line has been encouraging the regular tech websites to test these titles, but the multiplayer nature of them makes it difficult to regulate testing without a timedemo mode or something akin to BF2’s recording mode. One of the best ways to approach this is to predict the next eSports titles and ensure there is a way to test both fairly and accurately by working with the developer – ultimately that is something difficult for the media to do. To anyone creating an indie, casual or multiplayer with AI title, I would heartily suggest a benchmark mode, as this is where the strengths of AMD’s APU line (both in terms of performance and marketing from AMD’s point of view) sit.

A lot of readers will consider that the Kaveri Refresh outlay, one SKU now and some more down the road, is a holdover towards Zen and the next architecture update from AMD coming in 2016. Part of this is true, I would agree – seeing clock speed increases (even if they are 20%) can only go so far. Two things currently grip the processor audience: performance and efficiency. The hope, as always, is that the major x86 players can deliver over the old with the new. We will wait and see.

Gaming Benchmarks: GTX 980 and R9 290X
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  • nathanddrews - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    I'm not sure it's a good idea for anyone to buy a dual-core CPU nowadays. You're better off spending the extra $20-40 on an i3. The boost to minimum frame rates and basically everything else you do outside of gaming seems well worth it IMO. Generally speaking, that is. Without knowing everything his brother needs/wants to do, it's hard to say.
  • nikaldro - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    20-40$
    An i3 costs TWICE as much as a pentium.
    i3s offer horrible value, considering that i5s go for as low as 160$.
  • nathanddrews - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Twice the cost depends on the pricing on the given day/week. As of TODAY, Microcenter charges $50 ($70 Amazon/Newegg) for the G3258 - arguably the only Pentium worth buying. However, you'd have to buy a more expensive motherboard to get the OC option you need. They charge $100 for the i3-4370, $160 i5-4590, and $200 for the i5-4690K. So as of TODAY, it's twice the price for the CPU alone, but $50 is a small price to pay for the added power. The second you start doing anything multithreaded, the Pentium falls short. Likewise, the minimum framerates on that G3258 are up to 50% lower than an i3. A cheaper Pentium would be even worse. The only way it makes sense is if you only work/play in a single-threaded world.
  • nikaldro - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    You don't need an expensive mobo at all.
    You can easily take the G3258 to 4.2Ghz on an H81M-P33 with the stock cooler.
    If you even only consider buying the pentium, that means you are on a tight budget. 50$ on a tight budget can be as much as 15% of the whole budget.
    Of course, if you even have "just" a 600$ budget, then you can very well fit an i5 and a good GPU in there, but it seems to me that this is not the case.
  • artk2219 - Tuesday, June 2, 2015 - link

    If you really wanted to bring Microcenter into this they have 100 dollar FX 6300 bundles that come with a cheap board, or for 10 bucks more you can move up to a 970 chipset based board. For 120 you can get an FX 8320E with a 970 chipset based board or pay 170 to move up to a 990FX based Gigabyte board. For 110 you can get an a10 7850K with a cheap board or pay 135 to move up to an A88 based board. Basically all around the I3, intro I5, and even pentium dual core price range there are great AMD bundles that you can get from Microcenter. The only problem is they aren't everywhere so it can be difficult to get those deals. They also do have intel bundles like you said, but frankly they kind of suck in comparison.

    http://www.microcenter.com/site/products/amd_bundl...

    http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-proce...
  • tabascosauz - Tuesday, June 2, 2015 - link

    Horrible value? Son, you might want to check your facts.

    The 4M L3 i3s offer little value because one can buy an i5. It's the 3M i3s that make the G3258 look like, well, not a very appealing option.

    Overclocking? Sure, it's locked, but tell me, exactly how many more frames is that 4.5GHz Pentium going to net you compared to an i3-4130? About 5 fps? I thought so. On the other hand, what is going to happen to the G3258 in the games are completely unoptimized for it? While the i3-4130 is merrily playing whatever game is at hand, the G3258 is struggling with stuttering, lag, and other issues, if it even successfully runs at all.
  • nikaldro - Tuesday, June 2, 2015 - link

    Son?? Who the hell are you?!?
    For the same price, an fx6300 STOMPS an i3 in most cases.
    The i3 is a bit better than the pentium of course, but the doubled price makes it a bad choice for budget builds, and if budget isn't a major concern, just 60$ more grant you an i5, wich totally CRUSHES an i3.
  • Lolimaster - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    The cheapo gaming way with a dedicated gpu is the Athlon 870K (quad core).
  • AS118 - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    I've got to agree with that. The 860K's not bad either.
  • Lolimaster - Tuesday, June 2, 2015 - link

    Steamroller offers better performance than piledriver on modern games. It also destroys piledriver in emulation (dolphin for example).

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